No Alien Film In Scott's Future

[ADWatts]

So I've seen the trailer for Kingdom of Heaven about
five times now at the theater, and I'm still not all that
inspired by what I see. The trailer just kind of bores
me. Although, I wasn't all that excited by other Scott
projects early on either, such as Gladiator and G.I.
Jane, and ended up loving those films. So . . .

I'm on the internet this morning looking for tidbits
about Kingdom of Heaven to try and generate some
enthusiasm for the film, and I find this:

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_2539.html

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If you ever thought that there was a chance that Ridley Scott would
come back and direct the 5th installment to the Alien series, or let
alone any new Alien movies that might come in the future - well your
dreams are about to be shattered.

In a recent interview with Sci-Fi, this is what Ridley Scott had to say:

"There's been such an abundance of science fiction genres that I like to
think it's not used up," he said. "But, as I said earlier, it's all about
the
written word. It's all about what's on paper."

But Scott added there's one SF story he doesn't want to revisit: a fifth
film in the Alien series.

"No," he said with finality. "I think they've wrung it dry."

"No," he said with finality... Well that's a damn shame, cause if there
was anyone that I wanted to come back and direct an Alien film it
would of been him.
**************************************************

There was no date on the article, but looking at other pages
which have quotes the above, it seems to be from January
(of this year).

It's not so much the "No" that bothers me, because I never
really believed that he'd end up doing another Alien film
anyway. It's the "I think they've wrung it dry."

I get the impression that Ridley Scott is a little pissed off
at AvP, too. Even after AR, he'd always seemed very
optimistic about the series, wanting to be involved with a
sequel even if it was just as a writer or producer. He'd
even been interested in sharing a return to the series with
James Cameron.

I think it's very interesting (in retrospect) what Cameron
had to say in April of 2003:

http://www.planetavp.com/amr/films/a5/april0903edsun.txt

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"And the trick (to making a new Alien film) is you don't go crazy
and make a $150-million movie because you don't want to have to
compromise, you don't want to try to do a PG-13 Alien that is all
things to everyone."
**************************************************

So what do those nitwits at Fox do? They rush a $60 mil
clone out the door to take advantage of the FvJ craze and
cut the film to PG-13. Brilliant. "Compromised" would be
too kind of a word.

And now, Scott doesn't want to even *hint* at any interest
in the Alien series. Why should he? After turning the franchises
into a joke, why should any self-respecting writer and/or director
want to have anything to do with an Alien or Predator movie?

I believe another quote from that same article about Cameron
says it all:

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An Alien flick, Cameron said, ought to put the psychology back into
psychological horror. "It's got to still maintain its roots in this kind of
cinematic id. Ridley did it really beautifully. He just kind of put you into
this Freudian nightmare space."
***************************************************

And AvP put the whole thing in the toliet.

I know many of you liked AvP. That's good. No, really it is. I
try not to let my own views cloud my judgement when it comes
to another person's opinion. If you get enjoyment from AvP, I
have no problem with *that*. To each their own. But does any
hardcore Alien fan (or Predator fan) *really* believe that this
film was *good* for the series?

Even *if* it did make enough money for Fox to greenlight another
Alien sequel, how can they return to taking the series serious? How
will we ever get another Alien film which deals with the idea(s) in an
intelligent manner when the public will be expecting more comic
book action?

No. There might be more Alien films in the future, but this series is
dead in any way that really matters. Ridley Scott can see that. I can
see that. Can you?

AR was bad enough, but AvP was the final nail in the coffin.

"I think they've wrung it dry."

Yes, they have Sir Scott, yes, they have . . .

Ahmed

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

I think that I gave up expecting him to make another Alien movie when
he said that the only way he would want to be involved is by producing
the movie or being responsible for the story

[ADWatts]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I think that I gave up expecting him to make another Alien movie when
he said that the only way he would want to be involved is by producing
the movie or being responsible for the story

I'd settle for either one. At least he'd have some say in
how it was made. But I don't believe it was all that long
ago I was reading about how he'd like to direct an Alien
sequel written by Cameron. *That* would've been very
interesting.

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by ADWatts

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I think that I gave up expecting him to make another Alien movie when
he said that the only way he would want to be involved is by producing
the movie or being responsible for the story

I'd settle for either one. At least he'd have some say in
how it was made. But I don't believe it was all that long
ago I was reading about how he'd like to direct an Alien
sequel written by Cameron. *That* would've been very
interesting.
Have a great day!
Ahmed

I wonder about an ideal sequel to Scott's Alien and well what would be
a possible situation that the humans in such a tale would be involved
in and I wonder if it would be going off in the direction of x-files
type conspiracy, it almost seems to be going that direction in the
Alien movies.

The X-files movie already played with the idea of ancient demonic
aliens infecting humans by wounding them and so infected by the
scratch, the victims would find their bodies' transforming into
vessels in which the alien young grew. I feel that was all a part of
the Alien mythos, and well in the William Gibson Alien3 script, there
were aliens growing from human hosts that got in their by something as
simple as a scratch. And so the alien monsters that come out of the
human victims soon go through another transformation into another form
of an alien creature which appeared to be the recognisable Greys.
Naturally the alien monster in the X-files movie bore all the
tell-tales signs of being a Gillis and Woodruff thing,

I like how in Alien 3 there was possibility of this Bishop 2 character
leading up to much more confusion than could be possibly imagined
since we couldn't work out whether he was a flesh being or a
mechanical being and maybe we were not supposed to specifically know,
and I think this was purposely so since Fincher would have liked a few
more Bishops running around the film at that point. But maybe I would
be wondering about placing characters in situations where one was lead
to wonder whether this was all a long weird dream or not, that nobody
could get out of. I liked the fact that Lance Henrikson couldn't work
out if his character was in a dream or not, with the side of his face
hanging open. And here we are perhaps still arguing about whether he
was really a human or not and maybe the blurring of definition there
might be an important thing to think about, since I feel that there is
much confusion taking place in the substance of the reality of the
human beings in the movies

Dan O'Bannon's idea was that the alien in the Alien movie goes through
another state of transformation into some kind of an adult that by the
time of AVP, he was even thinking of perhaps the adult aliens being
the Predators (which I didn't like much as an idea really)

Well, now an invasion of thousands of marauding biomechanoids on
planet Earth in the centre of a city area can be dealt with by a
single predator with a single bomb just because he was losing.

[Covenant]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
Well, now an invasion of thousands of marauding biomechanoids on
planet Earth in the centre of a city area can be dealt with by a
single predator with a single bomb just because he was losing.

Ahhh, but the thing about Earth War is...

The alien could be all over the world before the *authorities* knew what
they were dealing with.
And thus couldn't just arbitrarily *nuke* sections of the planet!


--
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands

[John Redman]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I wonder about an ideal sequel to Scott's Alien and well what would be
a possible situation that the humans in such a tale would be involved
in

Personally I would be most interested in movie which took as its point of
departure one or more of the unresolved threads, themes, and story points
from the earlier movies. The SJ's origins and agenda are an obvious one, but
there are many more.

For instance, a persistent theme is the idea that the Company wants the
alien for the bioweapons division. What never emerges is exactly what enemy
the Company proposes to use this weapon on. Who is so threatening and so
detested that you'd turn an alien loose on them? Is it another country?
Another Company? An alliance of rivals? Whoever it is must loom large in the
movies' universe, yet they are never even mentioned. A plot line in which we
see a tactical deployment of aliens could be interesting.

In A2, Burke assures us that the atmosphere processor is completely
automated, so what were the 157 colonists actually doing for their day job?
They're a shake and bake colony, so what they were doing might reasonably
have included engineering flora able to survive on a terraformed LV426. OK,
so what happens to partly-finished artificial plants and trees after a nice
dose of fallout? And what would they look like after a few hundred years of
accelerated, but undirected evolution?

The whole matter of what happens to LV426 after A2 is intriguing. One 40
megatonne nuclear explosion needn't be the end of the world. It would become
habitable again quite soon, and given that the atmosphere was locally
breathable, the terraforming job must have been all but done. The Company
must have gone to LV426 for a reason; would they really just abandon it?
Could they hide their having done so? ExxonMobil couldn't abandon an oil
field today without someone noticing. Since A4 moves us a forward a few
hundred years, what would LV426 be looking like by then? Who might decide to
stop by?

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
And here we are perhaps still arguing about whether he
was really a human or not

It's just occurred to me that Bishop 2 was visibly older than Bishop 1,
somewhat suggesting that androids in the image of a 35ish Bishop are being
made somewhere while Bishop himself is ageing.

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
Dan O'Bannon's idea was that the alien in the Alien movie goes through
another state of transformation into some kind of an adult that by the
time of AVP, he was even thinking of perhaps the adult aliens being
the Predators (which I didn't like much as an idea really)

Good God. What an astonishingly poor idea.

[Covenant]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
Dan O'Bannon's idea was that the alien in the Alien movie goes through
another state of transformation into some kind of an adult that by the
time of AVP, he was even thinking of perhaps the adult aliens being
the Predators (which I didn't like much as an idea really)

?????

Where on EARTH did he say that?

I've heard him say that the *Alien* we know could be an immature version of
a creature which develops into something quite different, intellectual and
peaceful, but... a *Predator* ??? Never heard him say that.


--
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

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Post by ADWatts
"I think they've wrung it dry."
Yes, they have Sir Scott, yes, they
have . . .

For now, anyway ...

of course, there's still the possibility that certain talented folks on this
newsgroup might come up with a script worthy of Sir SCOTT'S interest (alone
or in collaboration).
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
"I think they've wrung it dry."
Yes, they have Sir Scott, yes, they
have . . .

For now, anyway ...
of course, there's still the possibility that certain talented folks on this
newsgroup might come up with a script worthy of Sir SCOTT'S interest (alone
or in collaboration).

Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P

That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film. There
would be too many conflicting opinions for it to really work, but
it's still a wild idea.

I did write an Alien story once . . .

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
"I think they've wrung it dry."
Yes, they have Sir Scott, yes, they
have . . .

For now, anyway ...
of course, there's still the possibility
that certain talented folks on this
newsgroup might come up with a
script worthy of Sir SCOTT'S interest
(alone or in collaboration).

Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P

I believe he posts under the nickname 'Covenant' ...

;-)

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script
for an Alien film.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a few people who have some
familiarity with the process of writing a manuscript (I'm excluding myself,
for obvious reasons).

Post by ADWatts
There would be too many conflicting
opinions for it to really work,

Agreed, and after spending almost four years on this newsgroup, I can just
anticipate said conflicting opinions.

Post by ADWatts
but it's still a wild idea.

There could be a way of having some newsgroup involvement without actually
revealing the plot or story.

A survey, for example.

Post by ADWatts
I did write an Alien story once . . .

Rilly?!

Care to share?

Post by ADWatts
Have a great day!

Even if I don't, it's always nice to know that someone wishes I would!

By the way, how did a fellow of Norwegian heritage end up with a name like
...

Post by ADWatts
Ahmed

?
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script
for an Alien film.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a few people who have some
familiarity with the process of writing a manuscript (I'm excluding myself,
for obvious reasons).

I like to imagine ideas for an Alien 5, and go into great depths
trying to work out what Ridley had as an idea for a continuation of
where his original film was going, as if this was a mystery for me to
dig around in the realm of interviews and play archeologist there,
but I know for sure that I am not a script writer and I don't know
much about writing stories either in the linear way.

I like to make little visual notes of ideas though in my explorations,
which almost becomes like a pointless Manga for people who have
frustrations about the Alien movies, and so I keep wondering what
would be the result of Ridley Scott wanting a new alien creature
designed, as he was fed up with the same old alien coming back time
after time after time after time after time after time. I still
haven't got any new ideas for this even though I do keep going back
through Giger's Necronomicon to see if little bits and pieces from
biomechanoids here and there jump out at me to describe the next one.


Dom

[ADWatts]

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P

I believe he posts under the nickname 'Covenant' ...
;-)

Is this true, Joe? Have you been keeping secrets from
your alter ego? :-P

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script
for an Alien film.

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a few people who have some
familiarity with the process of writing a manuscript (I'm excluding myself,
for obvious reasons).

Why would you exclude yourself? Being a part of writing
a script doesn't necessarily mean you have to be involved
in *writing* the script. I'm sure you have an idea or two
rolling around in your head.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
There would be too many conflicting
opinions for it to really work,

Agreed, and after spending almost four years on this newsgroup, I can just
anticipate said conflicting opinions.

Can you imagine all of us in the same room someplace
trying to agree on what should be in our script? I think
more blood might end up on the walls than in the story!

;-)

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
but it's still a wild idea.

There could be a way of having some newsgroup involvement without actually
revealing the plot or story.
A survey, for example.

Hmmmmm . . .

You mean like finding out "the majority opinion" on
certain issues or just something where people would
voice ideas and theories and then the writer(s) would
pick which ones to include; or a combination of the
two?

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
I did write an Alien story once . . .

Rilly?!
Care to share?

Oh, jeez. I did a first draft for a proposed 20th
anniversary Alien magazine back in '99, but when
the project fell apart, I never finished it up. I liked
the basic story I had set up, but it needed some
*major* re-writing and I'm sure there are a few
inconsistancies and outright mistakes.

But, if you really want to read it, I guess I could send
you a copy by e-mail. Not that I'd do that for just
anyone (because I do like the story), but you seem
like a trustworthy guy. So . . . my e-mail address
on this post is real; just e-mail the addy you want
it sent to, and I'll try to find the story. I think I had
it saved in plain text (.txt) and rich text (.rtf).

Just don't expect too much. It has potential, but when
I write first drafts it's just to get the ideas out on "paper".
It's in re-writes that I really put my stories together.
When I wrote what I did in my last post, I was just
thinking that the story could be worked into a script,
if I had the time. I'll hopefully be moving in about three
weeks to a new apartment (free at last, free at last!)
but that's both good and bad news as far as this "project"
would be concerned. I'd definately have the time (not
to mention the *peace and quiet*) to do some writing,
but I'll probably also be off-line again for some time
while I get my life "in order" again, which will be expensive.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Have a great day!

Even if I don't, it's always nice to know that someone wishes I would!

Always!

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
By the way, how did a fellow of Norwegian heritage end up with a name like

Post by ADWatts
Ahmed

?

I haven't mentioned that to you? OK, now this post is
really going to be self-indulgent! :-)

My parents were members of the Baha'i Faith, a mostly
Middle Eastern religion (or cult, depending upon viewpoint).
Before I was born, while living in Colorado, they met an
Iranian family who had a boy named Ahmed. They had
Americanized the pronunciation: so instead of 'ah' with
the hard throat-clearing 'h' sound and 'med' like in medic,
it was 'ah' as in 'open wide and say, ah' and 'med' with a
long 'e' like Lake Mead or the paper company Mead.

Anyway . . . my parents liked the name and decided to
name their first son Ahmed. Woo-hoo. Guess who the
first son was?

Well . . .

Have a great day, Glen!

Ahmed

[Covenant]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P

I believe he posts under the nickname 'Covenant' ...
;-)

Is this true, Joe? Have you been keeping secrets from
your alter ego? :-P

I am keeping a dignified silence...

Only by coming to Scotland will you find out !!!

;' ))

(And Adam missed his chance !!! (Actually, we both did... Just totally the
wrong time for us both, shame that!))


--
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A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P

I believe he posts under the
nickname 'Covenant' ...
;-)

Is this true, Joe? Have you been
keeping secrets from your alter ego?
:-P

It's just so unlike Joe to keep secrets from anyone ...

;-)

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Actually, I was thinking more along
the lines of a few people who have
some familiarity with the process of
writing a manuscript (I'm excluding
myself, for obvious reasons).

Why would you exclude yourself?
Being a part of writing a script doesn't
necessarily mean you have to be
involved in *writing* the script. I'm sure
you have an idea or two rolling around
in your head.

You really haven't been reading my posts that closely over the past four
years, have you ;-) ?

Seriously, in a committee setting as David suggested, I might come up with
an idea or a refinement of an idea, but I honestly can't see myself
producing something from start to finish.

It's just not in me at this stage in my life.

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
There would be too many
conflicting opinions for it to really
work,

Agreed, and after spending almost
four years on this newsgroup, I can
just anticipate said conflicting
opinions.

Can you imagine all of us in the same
room someplace trying to agree on
what should be in our script? I think
more blood might end up on the walls
than in the story!

And that would be just from me and Covenant fighting over extra helpings of
haggis ...

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
There could be a way of having
some newsgroup involvement
without actually revealing the plot or
story.
A survey, for example.

Hmmmmm . . .
You mean like finding out "the majority
opinion" on certain issues or just
something where people would
voice ideas and theories and then the
writer(s) would pick which ones to
include; or a combination of the two?

Not exactly a poll of the fans' pet ideas, no.

More of a hint by the writers of different directions they might take
(which, being fans, just might address some of these pet ideas).

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
I did write an Alien story once . . .

Rilly?!
Care to share?

Oh, jeez. I did a first draft for a
proposed 20th anniversary Alien
magazine back in '99, but when the
project fell apart, I never finished it
up. I liked the basic story I had set up,
but it needed some *major* re-writing
and I'm sure there are a few
inconsistancies and outright mistakes.
But, if you really want to read it, I guess
I could send you a copy by e-mail. Not
that I'd do that for just anyone
(because I do like the story), but you
seem like a trustworthy guy. So . . . my
e-mail address on this post is real; just
e-mail the addy you want it sent to, and
I'll try to find the story. I think I had
it saved in plain text (.txt) and rich text
(.rtf).

Okay, I'll be in touch.

Post by ADWatts
Just don't expect too much. It has
potential, but when I write first drafts it's
just to get the ideas out on "paper".
It's in re-writes that I really put my
stories together.

No worries; I'm sure I'll enjoy whatever you share with me.

Post by ADWatts
When I wrote what I did in my last post,
I was just thinking that the story could
be worked into a script, if I had the
time. I'll hopefully be moving in about
three weeks to a new apartment (free
at last, free at last!) but that's both
good and bad news as far as this
"project" would be concerned. I'd
definately have the time (not to mention
the *peace and quiet*) to do some
writing, but I'll probably also be off-line
again for some time while I get my life
"in order" again, which will be
expensive.

I can *so* relate to that.

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
By the way, how did a fellow of
Norwegian heritage end up with a
name like

Post by ADWatts
Ahmed

?

I haven't mentioned that to you? OK,
now this post is really going to be self-
indulgent! :-)

It's not self-indulgent when people are interested.

Post by ADWatts
My parents were members of the
Baha'i Faith, a mostly Middle Eastern
religion (or cult, depending upon
viewpoint).

Fascinating, Captain.

I was once a member of the Baha'i Faith, as well, myself.

Post by ADWatts
Before I was born, while living in
Colorado, they met an Iranian family
who had a boy named Ahmed.

Good thing they didn't name you after the rather prolix "Tablet Of Ahmad",
then.

Post by ADWatts
They had Americanized the
pronunciation: so instead of 'ah' with
the hard throat-clearing 'h' sound and
'med' like in medic, it was 'ah' as in
'open wide and say, ah' and 'med' with
a long 'e' like Lake Mead or the paper
company Mead.

For some reason, I'd always thought you'd use the original pronunciation of
your name, Ach-med.

(I learned a lot of words in Arabic and Farsi when I was a Baha'i, but I had
always greatly enjoyed the cuisine and the music.)

Post by ADWatts
Anyway . . . my parents liked the name
and decided to name their first son
Ahmed. Woo-hoo. Guess who the
first son was?

Would I be a dumb brunette if I said it was you?

Post by ADWatts
Well . . .
Have a great day, Glen!

Cheers, mate!
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
It's just so unlike Joe to keep secrets from anyone ...
;-)

Ain't it tho?

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
You really haven't been reading my posts that closely over the past four
years, have you ;-) ?

Well, I did miss a large portion of those four
years! Unfortunately . . .

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Seriously, in a committee setting as David suggested, I might come up with
an idea or a refinement of an idea, but I honestly can't see myself
producing something from start to finish.

The only way *I'd* do a "group" script would be
if everyone had a chance to include an idea or two.
Putting it all together into a coherent story would
be quite a challenge with the wide range of views
and theories around here, but it could actually be
fun.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
It's just not in me at this stage in my life.

Is it the larvae stage? :-P

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Can you imagine all of us in the same
room someplace trying to agree on
what should be in our script? I think
more blood might end up on the walls
than in the story!

And that would be just from me and Covenant fighting over extra helpings of
haggis ...

LOL!

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
There could be a way of having
some newsgroup involvement
without actually revealing the plot or
story.
A survey, for example.

Hmmmmm . . .
You mean like finding out "the majority
opinion" on certain issues or just
something where people would
voice ideas and theories and then the
writer(s) would pick which ones to
include; or a combination of the two?

Not exactly a poll of the fans' pet ideas, no.
More of a hint by the writers of different directions they might take
(which, being fans, just might address some of these pet ideas).

I see.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
I did write an Alien story once . . .

Rilly?!
Care to share?

But, if you really want to read it . . .
I think I had
it saved in plain text (.txt) and rich text
(.rtf).

Okay, I'll be in touch.

OK!

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
My parents were members of the
Baha'i Faith, a mostly Middle Eastern
religion (or cult, depending upon
viewpoint).

Fascinating, Captain.
I was once a member of the Baha'i Faith, as well, myself.

Wow, really?

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Before I was born, while living in
Colorado, they met an Iranian family
who had a boy named Ahmed.

Good thing they didn't name you after the rather prolix "Tablet Of Ahmad",
then.

"Be thou as a flame of fire to my enemies and a
river of life eternal to my loved ones, and be not
of those who doubt."

Or something like that. I had this small prayer book
given to me by a family friend when I was about five.
It just had certain passages from various prayers. If
I was particularly bored, I'd read a page or two,
and I actually liked that bit above, maybe because
Ahmad was so close to Ahmed. In fact, Ahmed is
just a variation on Ahmad. They mean the same
thing.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
They had Americanized the
pronunciation: so instead of 'ah' with
the hard throat-clearing 'h' sound and
'med' like in medic, it was 'ah' as in
'open wide and say, ah' and 'med' with
a long 'e' like Lake Mead or the paper
company Mead.

For some reason, I'd always thought you'd use the original pronunciation of
your name, Ach-med.

I get so many pronounciations of my name, that I
really don't pay that much attention anymore! :-)

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
(I learned a lot of words in Arabic and Farsi when I was a Baha'i, but I had
always greatly enjoyed the cuisine and the music.)

I met very few Arabic people while my parents were
Baha'i. Most of the people were American that they
had meetings and firesides with. In fact, to this day,
I've still met more "whites" and Asians who were/are
Baha'is than Arabs.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Anyway . . . my parents liked the name
and decided to name their first son
Ahmed. Woo-hoo. Guess who the
first son was?

Would I be a dumb brunette if I said it was you?

Well, you can be the dumb brunette anyway, if you
like . . . ;-)

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
You really haven't been reading my
posts that closely over the past four
years, have you ;-) ?

Well, I did miss a large portion of those
four years! Unfortunately . . .

That's true; I keep forgetting about that.

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Seriously, in a committee setting as
David suggested, I might come up
with an idea or a refinement of an
idea, but I honestly can't see myself
producing something from start to
finish.

The only way *I'd* do a "group" script
would be if everyone had a chance to
include an idea or two.
Putting it all together into a coherent
story would be quite a challenge with
the wide range of views and theories
around here, but it could actually be
fun.

It could be filmed in such a way so as to seem as though it's presenting one
or two ideas simultaneously.

Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
It's just not in me at this stage in my
life.

Is it the larvae stage? :-P

That reminds me of the dream scene in "The Fly" wherein 'Veronica' is in the
delivery room ...

No coffee and doughnuts for me!

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Can you imagine all of us in the
same room someplace trying to
agree on what should be in our
script? I think more blood might
end up on the walls than in the
story!

And that would be just from me and
Covenant fighting over extra helpings
of haggis ...

LOL!

Actually, me and my late partner Bob sampled haggis at the local Highland
Games at least a couple of times and had enjoyed it very much.

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
I was once a member of the Baha'i
Faith, as well, myself.

Wow, really?

Yuppers, really.

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Good thing they didn't name you after
the rather prolix "Tablet Of Ahmad",
then.

"Be thou as a flame of fire to my
enemies and a river of life eternal to
my loved ones, and be not
of those who doubt."
Or something like that. I had this small
prayer book given to me by a family
friend when I was about five.
It just had certain passages from
various prayers.

"Selections"?

Post by ADWatts
If I was particularly bored, I'd read a
page or two,

And I bet that was just the *opening* of the prayer ...

Post by ADWatts
and I actually liked that bit above,
maybe because Ahmad was so close
to Ahmed.

Here it is in its entirety:

http://www.bahaiprayers.org/ahmad.htm

Actually, there was another prayer which I had confused with the Tablet of
Ahmad, that was something like 40 pages long.

Now I feel compelled to seek out which one it was.

Post by ADWatts
In fact, Ahmed is just a variation on
Ahmad.

As is Mohammed just a variation on Muhammad, Mehmet, etc.

Post by ADWatts
They mean the same thing.

Right, meaning "praiseworthy".

(Talk about your name being your fate
;-) !)

If I recall, Ahmed / Ahmad is a derivation of Mohammed / Muhammad.

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
(I learned a lot of words in Arabic and
Farsi when I was a Baha'i, but I
had always greatly enjoyed the
cuisine and the music.)

I met very few Arabic people while my
parents were Baha'i. Most of the
people were American that they
had meetings and firesides with. In
fact, to this day, I've still met more
"whites" and Asians who were/are
Baha'is than Arabs.

The Local Spiritual Assemblies in Ottawa at the time I was a Baha'i
consisted of Canadians who were of British, European, Persian, Arab, Indian,
African and Asian ancestry (in that order).

Due to the large percentage of those originally from the Middle East, it was
not uncommon to start each deepening, feast, fireside, memorial or other
Baha'i gathering with a Persian chant.
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
Well, I did miss a large portion of those
four years! Unfortunately . . .

That's true; I keep forgetting about that.

Let's hope I'm not off-line *too* long again
this next time!

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
It could be filmed in such a way so as to seem as though it's presenting one
or two ideas simultaneously.
Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis

Another interesting idea. Hmmmm . . .

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Actually, me and my late partner Bob sampled haggis at the local Highland
Games at least a couple of times and had enjoyed it very much.

Haven't had an opportunity to try it yet. I wouldn't
turn down a chance.

<I mentioned a children's Baha'i prayer book>

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
"Selections"?

I really can't remember. All I do recall is that it
was yellow. Entirely yellow except for the title,
which I have absolutely no memory of at all.
There might have also been an "etching" or
"imprint" (damn, I can't think of the word I
want, but it's not a real picture, just a "raised"
portion of the cover) of a child in prayer.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
If I was particularly bored, I'd read a
page or two,

And I bet that was just the *opening* of the prayer ...

It had bits and pieces of various prayers, none of
them very long. Couldn't tell you if they were from
the beginning, middle or end.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
and I actually liked that bit above,
maybe because Ahmad was so close
to Ahmed.

http://www.bahaiprayers.org/ahmad.htm

Don't recognize the rest of it, but I checked out
the others, and I definately recall the Tablet of the
Holy Mariner. Nothing else rings a bell, though.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Actually, there was another prayer which I had confused with the Tablet of
Ahmad, that was something like 40 pages long.
Now I feel compelled to seek out which one it was.

I would be of no help! :-P

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
In fact, Ahmed is just a variation on
Ahmad.

As is Mohammed just a variation on Muhammad, Mehmet, etc.

True.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
They mean the same thing.

Right, meaning "praiseworthy".

Pretty much.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
(Talk about your name being your fate
;-) !)

Well, I'll let others judge that. :-)

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
If I recall, Ahmed / Ahmad is a derivation of Mohammed / Muhammad.

Not sure on that one. Sounds logical.

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
The Local Spiritual Assemblies in Ottawa at the time I was a Baha'i
consisted of Canadians who were of British, European, Persian, Arab, Indian,
African and Asian ancestry (in that order).
Due to the large percentage of those originally from the Middle East, it was
not uncommon to start each deepening, feast, fireside, memorial or other
Baha'i gathering with a Persian chant.

Interesting.

As fas as I can remember, we (the children) were
only allowed at (or brought to) the feasts, and that
was only some of the time. I don't remember being
taken to any firesides or memorials, and I don't even
know what a deepening is! :-)

And, ummmm, I wonder if their are any Space Jockies
that converted to the Baha'i Faith? Errr, perhaps on their
planet, one of the aliens is a messenger of God? Dang . . .
I'm having a tough time redirecting this one back on topic!

:-P

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Covenant]

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by ADWatts
"I think they've wrung it dry."
Yes, they have Sir Scott, yes, they
have . . .

For now, anyway ...
of course, there's still the possibility
that certain talented folks on this
newsgroup might come up with a
script worthy of Sir SCOTT'S interest
(alone or in collaboration).

Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P

I believe he posts under the nickname 'Covenant' ...

SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



--
Covenant
A Man Who May Be Hiding A Secret Identity !!!!! ;' )))

[Tracy]

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film. There
would be too many conflicting opinions for it to really work, but
it's still a wild idea.

Conflicting opinions are not necessarily a bad thing. The diversity is
goooooooood! We could submit variations on themes and outcomes and then
Mr. Scott could make up his own mind....... (in our dreams, yeah?).

(Personally, I still want a "Space Jockey" story - his home planet,
self-sacrifice, etc etc etc.).

Still, a nice idea, and maybe we should just do it for the hell of it - oh,
and dont forget to include Cov's musical version!!!!!

Tracy

[ADWatts]

Post by Tracy

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film. There
would be too many conflicting opinions for it to really work, but
it's still a wild idea.

Conflicting opinions are not necessarily a bad thing. The diversity is
goooooooood!

Sometimes that can be true.

Post by Tracy
could submit variations on themes and outcomes and then
Mr. Scott could make up his own mind....... (in our dreams, yeah?).

Hey, when dreams are all you have! ;-)

Post by Tracy
(Personally, I still want a "Space Jockey" story - his home planet,
self-sacrifice, etc etc etc.).

Any script *I* would do would most certainly have the
"Space Jockeys". But I see them in a little different way
than most people; although I do also like the "religious"
angle. Actually, a combination of ideas might be very
good. After all, humans aren't all the same. Some of the
SJs might worship the aliens, while other would feel quite
differently.

Post by Tracy
Still, a nice idea, and maybe we should just do it for the hell of it - oh,
and dont forget to include Cov's musical version!!!!!

I haven't read that yet! Is it finished? Or was he just
teasing us!?

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Covenant]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Tracy

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film. There
would be too many conflicting opinions for it to really work, but
it's still a wild idea.

Conflicting opinions are not necessarily a bad thing. The diversity is
goooooooood!

Sometimes that can be true.

Post by Tracy
could submit variations on themes and outcomes and then
Mr. Scott could make up his own mind....... (in our dreams, yeah?).

Hey, when dreams are all you have! ;-)

Post by Tracy
(Personally, I still want a "Space Jockey" story - his home planet,
self-sacrifice, etc etc etc.).

Any script *I* would do would most certainly have the
"Space Jockeys". But I see them in a little different way
than most people; although I do also like the "religious"
angle. Actually, a combination of ideas might be very
good. After all, humans aren't all the same. Some of the
SJs might worship the aliens, while other would feel quite
differently.

Post by Tracy
Still, a nice idea, and maybe we should just do it for the hell of it -

oh,

Post by Tracy
and dont forget to include Cov's musical version!!!!!

I haven't read that yet! Is it finished? Or was he just
teasing us!?

I only did the first two.

I have working versions of the other two, but it's hard to find the heart to
finish 'em!

(Mind you.. I never finished my LotR trilogy either, Return of the King is
as yet only drafts!)

And, as I said above, Shakey Spear Alien!!

(Working and probably final title.... Ye Star Beaste!)

--
Covenant
A Man Who Has The Cheek To Call Himself A Man With Far Too Much Time On His
Hands

[John Redman]

Post by Covenant

Post by ADWatts

Post by Tracy
and dont forget to include Cov's musical version!!!!!

I haven't read that yet! Is it finished? Or was he just
teasing us!?

I only did the first two.

OK, so there's one number each for Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner.

Post by Covenant
(Working and probably final title.... Ye Star Beaste!)

Call it "Ye Ftar Beafte" so it looks like a lost first Folio edition.

[Covenant]

Post by John Redman

Post by Covenant

Post by ADWatts

Post by Tracy
and dont forget to include Cov's musical version!!!!!

I haven't read that yet! Is it finished? Or was he just
teasing us!?

I only did the first two.

OK, so there's one number each for Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner.

Post by Covenant
(Working and probably final title.... Ye Star Beaste!)

Call it "Ye Ftar Beafte" so it looks like a lost first Folio edition.

Actually, Star Beafte is pretty good!

(Capital *S*s were never written as f ...)

;' )


--
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A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands

[Tracy]

Post by Covenant

Post by John Redman

Post by Covenant

Post by ADWatts

Post by Tracy
and dont forget to include Cov's musical version!!!!!

I haven't read that yet! Is it finished? Or was he just
teasing us!?

I only did the first two.

OK, so there's one number each for Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner.

Post by Covenant
(Working and probably final title.... Ye Star Beaste!)

Call it "Ye Ftar Beafte" so it looks like a lost first Folio edition.

Actually, Star Beafte is pretty good!
(Capital *S*s were never written as f ...)
;' )

Thif guy certainly knowf hif stuff! (oops, me false teeth just fell out!).

[John Redman]

Post by Tracy
Thif guy certainly knowf hif stuff! (oops, me false teeth just fell out!).

I feem to remember that esses were only written long at the start and end of
a fentence,
for fome ftrange reason which now escapef me.

[John Redman]

Post by Covenant
Actually, Star Beafte is pretty good!
(Capital *S*s were never written as f ...)

True, and "Ye" was never pronounced "ye", because the y was in fact a th-,
but "most people wooden know that" ans "it's only a movie" as they say....

[Covenant]

Post by John Redman
"it's only a movie" as they say....

If only they knew !!!!

;' )


--
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A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by ADWatts
Any script *I* would do would most certainly have the
"Space Jockeys". But I see them in a little different way
than most people; although I do also like the "religious"
angle. Actually, a combination of ideas might be very
good. After all, humans aren't all the same. Some of the
SJs might worship the aliens, while other would feel quite
differently.

okay, what do most people see the space jockey entities as. I probably
am a little beyond this whole thing and the idea of the religious
angle

Dom

[Robert]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
okay, what do most people see the space jockey entities as.

The man himself said the alien was a bioweapon and the ship a
military ship, so Space Jockey (anybody else remember "Space Jokey"?
Hehehe.) could be a number of things:

Beings that genetically engineered the Alien.
Beings that breed Aliens and/or keep captive queens to supply eggs.
Beings that opportunistically 'harvest' Aliens (well, eggs) for use as
weapons.

The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a combat
vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any other
possibilities.

[John Redman]

Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a
combat vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any
other possibilities.

Another Nostromo - blunders in, screws up, and leaves a warning before
dying.

[Robert]

Post by John Redman

Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a
combat vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any
other possibilities.

Another Nostromo - blunders in, screws up, and leaves a warning before
dying.

OK, if you posit that sort of scenario, it'd have to be SJ
blundering into another SJ's 'thing', unless you can cobble up an
explanation for how the dead blunderer fits so well into SJ's comfy seat.

Unless you're implying that _SJ_ and his ship are 'another Nostromo'
who blundered into alien eggs on LV426? That doesn't make any sense at all.

I'm obviously not real clear on how your scenario works with what
Scott said about SJ.....

[John Redman]

Post by Robert
I'm obviously not real clear on how your scenario works with what
Scott said about SJ.....

It doesn't work if one adopts Ridley Baby's speculation that the ship is a
military transport.

It does work otherwise. Eg the SJs let an alien aboard which wiped out the
crew per the cocoon model. One, possibly though not necessarily the last
survivor, crashed the ship into LV426 and set up a warning in case the
aliens survived the crash. The SJ appears to be the only SJ not cocooned
into another egg; we can only guess why.

[Robert]

Post by John Redman

Post by Robert
I'm obviously not real clear on how your scenario works with what
Scott said about SJ.....

It doesn't work if one adopts Ridley Baby's speculation that the ship is a
military transport.

Ooooh-tay, you were talking to wmmrmrmvmr. Gotcha.

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a combat
vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any other
possibilities.

okay, there is the idea of a freighter that carries the young of the
spacejockey's species and there is the idea of a battlewagon that goes
to planets and infects them with the spores.

maybe there is the idea of mixing the two so that the bioweapons are
the spacejockey's own young

At present, I see the possibility of the vessel being a ship that
rescues marooned victims of disasters on other planets and there is
no chance of getting back to the home planet, so the pilot has the
people killed and turned into spores which the vessel builds an
underground silo to store, the spores will contain the victims DNA
that will come back in to use with all their victims memories intact
in the new biomechanoid life forms to come from these spores in years
to come, and so home base creates another wormhole to link to that
planet and the worm hole might not appear in this particular space and
time for thousands of years to come, since the home planet doesn't
exist in this same space time continuum. So the jockey knowing that he
will as it were be reincarnated many years from now allows himself to
die in order to get the young alien growing and bursting out to turn
all the alien people stationed of the planetoid into spores. Fore me
the derelict plants itself there like a timecapsule to be dug up
later.

And the derelict remains doing what it needs to do through the
thousands of years until James Cameron's extended Aliens movie has the
derelict knocked out of its place by a volcano flow fifty years after
the humans first discovered it, which really wrecks everything for me.

Then again, going along with the time capsule idea, i like to think
that alien beings living in an era thousands of years ago, that can't
enter our present space time continuum so easily since their own race
died out long before we become intergalactic travellers, send time
capsules into our present day, placing them there many thousands of
years ago, for us to pick up in this future realm of Alien, and so
they do this offering their biological war weapons to one of the other
industrial conglomerates, if they assist the the spacejockeys in being
revived to the state of being adult alien beings instead of vicious
alien monsters that kill everything.

Maybe the spacejockeys already have a station of their own set up
hundreds of years later somewhere, after the time of alien. The
spacejockeys of ancient times are busy sending their time capsules off
to that future point in time, but in Alien was was discovered, despite
the predictions by the Spacejockeys that they would not be discovered,
or maybe the SpaceJockeys tend not to worry because they believe that
the derelicts are pretected well enough maybe by a curse.

Then again, the Spacejockeys place these derelicts out there so that
eventually we as a human race would stumble on them and suddenly be
overcome by them, and this would be their way of invading us

Dom

[Robert]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a combat
vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any other
possibilities.

okay, there is the idea of a freighter

Ridley's pretty clear it's a military ship. I believe he calls it a
'battleship', but I'm too lazy to put the disc in and listen to the
commentary right now. ;)

[Covenant]

Post by Robert

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a combat
vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any other
possibilities.

okay, there is the idea of a freighter

Ridley's pretty clear it's a military ship. I believe he calls it a
'battleship', but I'm too lazy to put the disc in and listen to the
commentary right now. ;)

I think he says battle wagon...

But.. Also too lazy...

;' )

--
Covenant
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands

[Robert]

Post by Covenant

Post by Robert

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a combat
vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any other
possibilities.

okay, there is the idea of a freighter

Ridley's pretty clear it's a military ship. I believe he calls it

a

Post by Robert
'battleship', but I'm too lazy to put the disc in and listen to the
commentary right now. ;)

I think he says battle wagon...
But.. Also too lazy...

Hehehehe. He's hard to understand for the first bit of the movie -
what the heck's he got in his mouth? Hard candy? A lollipop? Lemon drop?
Life Saver? Mentos? I sniffed my speakers but couldn't tell. ;)

Somebody ask him next time you run into him, k? Thanks.

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by Robert
Hehehehe. He's hard to
understand for the first bit of the movie
- what the heck's he got in his mouth?
Hard candy? A lollipop? Lemon drop?
Life Saver? Mentos? I sniffed my
speakers but couldn't tell. ;)

Hey everybody, Robert's a beta tester for Smell-o-vision (R)!
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Hey everybody, Robert's a beta tester for Smell-o-vision (R)!

Hehehehe. See "Kentucky Fried Movie" for the best along those lines!
Damn, I wonder if that movie's out on DVD....*checks amazon*...yep. The
Zucker Bros. are veritable comic gods. Hey, they'd be perfect to
exec-produce cov's musical! Too bad Stephen Stucker is dead, he'd be PERFECT
as a demented Shakespearian Captain Dallas. Hey Glen, who's the portly fag
from Demolition Man? Arrrgh....Glenn Shadix! ("Associate Bob". Tee hee. That
was great. He was also the goofy interior decorator in Beetlejuice.)
Orrrrr....damn, my other favorite's dead too. No wait! Harvey Fierstein
LIVES! (Why did I think he was dead? Hhmmm.) He's too short to be a captain,
though. But he does musicals. Can Shadix sing? Who cares! Just imagine him
as a technophobic Dallas who can't log in to Mother, bwhahahaha. ;) ;) ;)

Okay, switching to decaf now.....

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by Robert

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Hey everybody, Robert's a beta
tester for Smell-o-vision (R)!

Hehehehe. See "Kentucky Fried
Movie" for the best along those lines!

*Never* saw that!

I'll take that as your recommendation, though.

Post by Robert
Damn, I wonder if that movie's out on
DVD....*checks amazon*...yep. The
Zucker Bros. are veritable comic gods.

Weren't they the ones behind "Airplane!"?

Post by Robert
Hey, they'd be perfect to exec-produce
cov's musical!

If Cov would like it to *have* a comic sensibility, that is ...

Post by Robert
Too bad Stephen Stucker is dead, he'd
be PERFECT as a demented
Shakespearian Captain Dallas.

Demented in a "King Lear" sort of way?

Post by Robert
Hey Glen, who's the portly fag from
Demolition Man?

Well, despite my rumoured reputation, I can't honestly say I know them *all*
...

(I still think the alliterative 'fat faggot' or 'heavy homosexual' would've
sounded better, myself.)

Post by Robert
Arrrgh....Glenn Shadix! ("Associate
Bob". Tee hee.

Didn't see that, *either*.

Post by Robert
That was great. He was also the goofy
interior decorator in Beetlejuice.)

Oh, *him*.

I loved it when Beetlejuice changed his suit to white!

Post by Robert
Orrrrr....damn, my other favorite's dead
too. No wait! Harvey Fierstein
LIVES! (Why did I think he was dead?
Hhmmm.) He's too short to be a
captain, though. But he does musicals.

And he wanted to *do* Homer SIMPSON.

Post by Robert
Can Shadix sing? Who cares! Just
imagine him as a technophobic Dallas
who can't log in to Mother,
bwhahahaha. ;) ;) ;)

For a one-time Petty Officer and now Engineer, you'd make a great Casting
Agent.

I think I'd lose respect for you altogether if you started dabbling as a
Costume Designer or Make-up Artist, though.

Post by Robert
Okay, switching to decaf now.....

Switchin' to glide ...
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
I think I'd lose respect for you altogether if you started dabbling as a
Costume Designer or Make-up Artist, though.

Well....hhm. OK, there's this nice young Canadian lass name of
Bianca, I'd put her in charge of
ladie's costuming. *smirk*

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by Robert
Okay, switching to decaf now.....

Switchin' to glide ...

Uh-oh.

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by Robert

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
I think I'd lose respect for you
altogether if you started dabbling as
a Costume Designer or Make-up
Artist, though.

Well....hhm. OK, there's this nice
young Canadian lass name of
Bianca, I'd put her in charge of
ladie's costuming. *smirk*

Saved ...

by delegation of duties.

Post by Robert

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by Robert
Okay, switching to decaf
now.....

Switchin' to glide ...

Uh-oh.

What, you don't remember The Kings' "Switchin' To Glide"?!
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Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a combat
vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any other
possibilities.

okay, there is the idea of a freighter

Ridley's pretty clear it's a military ship. I believe he calls it a
'battleship', but I'm too lazy to put the disc in and listen to the
commentary right now. ;)

I wont agree with you there, but he was clear where the idea that it
was a military ship would take him

[Robert]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by Robert

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by Robert
The ship is either an egg transport/supply ship delivering eggs to a combat
vessel or military base, or a combat vessel. Can't really see any other
possibilities.

okay, there is the idea of a freighter

Ridley's pretty clear it's a military ship. I believe he calls it a
'battleship', but I'm too lazy to put the disc in and listen to the
commentary right now. ;)

I wont agree with you there, but he was clear where the idea that it
was a military ship would take him

OK....let's go to the disc. *sigh* just kidding...

Right then, go to 27:51 on the DVD:

"I always wanted to go back and do an Alien 5 or 6...uh, where we find out
where they came from and go there and answer the question 'Who are they?'.
Mars is too close, so they can't be, can't be gods of war. But the theory
was, in my head was, this was an aircraft carrier...battle wagon of a
civilization and the eggs were cargo which were essentially weapons. So,
like a large form of bacteriological/biomechanoid warfare.

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by Robert
"I always wanted to go back and do an Alien 5 or 6...uh, where we find out
where they came from and go there and answer the question 'Who are they?'.
Mars is too close, so they can't be, can't be gods of war. But the theory
was, in my head was, this was an aircraft carrier...battle wagon of a
civilization and the eggs were cargo which were essentially weapons. So,
like a large form of bacteriological/biomechanoid warfare.

yes and you can also go the quadrilogy DVD too and go to 00:29:09 and
hear him say
"I think the space jockey is somehow the pilot and he's part of a
military operation, if that's the word you want to apply to his world,
and therefore this is probably some kind of carrier, a weapon carrier,
a biological or biomechanoid carrier of lethal eggs, inside of which
inside are these small lethal creatures which will actually
fundamentally integrate in a very aggressive way into any society,"

so, yes , it is all wonderful and this is the idea he pursued with no
100% fixed view that it really must only be a vessel of war. but it
was interesting to pursue the idea and discuss it. Maybe the vessel
had other secret uses behind it if there is a good enough idea rising
to the surface.

In The Book of Alien published about the time the movie came out, he
was quoted as saying "maybe the derelict ship was a battlewagon or a
freighter that was carrying either its own kind or a weapon from A to
B, and something went wrong" That would be the second page of the
article which has almost as its headline a quote by Giger. So well
there were some ideas to explore there from what he said.

Dom

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

you can also go to 1:46:00 in the commentry of the Alien DVD from the
Quadrilogy set, and you can hear Ridley and Sigourney talking about
the various possibilities in a compact way,

and then again it seems here that there is even the possibility that
the spores are giving off the alien transmission, and that was
something I noticed in the script book as being an idea being pursued.
Ridley did acknowledge the possibility of it as she mentioned it, as
being one of the many possibilities

So, it would be a strange thing to lure people, a signal that in the
end translated as a warning to stay away, but well.... the signal was
at least successful in luring the crewmembers of the Nostromo, before
they translated it as a distress signal


Dom

[David A McIntee]

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film.

Well, it's not as if it wouldn't be the first time there'd been a script by
committee...


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Post by David A McIntee

Post by ADWatts
That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film.

Well, it's not as if it wouldn't be the first time there'd been a script by
committee...

Good point!

But look at the results . . .

:-)

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Sandman]

Post by ADWatts
Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P
That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film. There
would be too many conflicting opinions for it to really work, but
it's still a wild idea.

You think? Hehe


Sandman, chapter seventeen:
"...and Weston saw the enormous silouette of the Alien queen that..."

Covenant, chapter eighteen
"...then the rest of the crew left Weston behind, they had no use for a person
that had constant illusions..."

:)

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by Sandman

Post by ADWatts
Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P
That would be intriguing. A group
script for an Alien film. There
would be too many conflicting
opinions for it to really work, but
it's still a wild idea.

You think? Hehe
"...and Weston saw the enormous
silouette of the Alien queen that..."
Covenant, chapter eighteen
"...then the rest of the crew left Weston
behind, they had no use for a person
that had constant illusions..."

Who's this WESTON character, then?

And is he a human or synthetic?
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Post by Sandman

Post by ADWatts
Ridley Scott reads this ng!? :-P
That would be intriguing. A group script for an Alien film. There
would be too many conflicting opinions for it to really work, but
it's still a wild idea.

You think? Hehe
"...and Weston saw the enormous silouette of the Alien queen that..."
Covenant, chapter eighteen "...then the rest of the crew left Weston
behind, they had no use for a person that had constant illusions..."

Who's this WESTON character, then?
And is he a human or synthetic?

Sandman, chapter nineteen:
"After being hit over the head by he crewmates, red blood gushes over the
floor. Weston squirms in agony and pain, and feels like pouring out of his
wretched body"

Covenant, chapter twenty
"The crew went along, knowing that they had rid themselves of that evil cyborg
Weston who for some reason had had red blood instead of white..."

:)

[Covenant]

Post by ADWatts
I did write an Alien story once . . .

Weeeeellllllllll..... ????



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[ADWatts]

Post by Covenant

Post by ADWatts
I did write an Alien story once . . .

Weeeeellllllllll..... ????

Weeeeellllllllll whaaaaaaaat?

Do you want a copy? Send me an e-mail. Sorry, but I
lost your e-mail addy at some point these last couple of
years.

Tell you what. If both you and Glen, or someone else
want to take the time to read it, I have no problem with
that. (Besides being a bit embarrassed by the state that
some of it is in.) If you guys (or gal) judge it worthy and
there's any real interest from anyone else, maybe I'll post
it to the group; although I don't have time to do a proper
re-write.

Or, we could just forget I mentioned it in the first place.

:-)

Have a great day, Sir Scott!(?) ;-)

Ahmed

[Tracy]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Covenant

Post by ADWatts
I did write an Alien story once . . .

Weeeeellllllllll..... ????

Weeeeellllllllll whaaaaaaaat?
Do you want a copy? Send me an e-mail. Sorry, but I
lost your e-mail addy at some point these last couple of
years.
Tell you what. If both you and Glen, or someone else
want to take the time to read it, I have no problem with
that. (Besides being a bit embarrassed by the state that
some of it is in.) If you guys (or gal) judge it worthy and
there's any real interest from anyone else, maybe I'll post
it to the group; although I don't have time to do a proper
re-write.
Or, we could just forget I mentioned it in the first place.
:-)
Have a great day, Sir Scott!(?) ;-)
Ahmed

Pass it on bro, pass it ooooon!! Now, now, now!!! If you feel a little shy
about posting it here, you can send it to individuals who specifically ask
to read it - er.. like me..me.. meeeeeeeeeee!! My hotmail addy is fine :)

Tracy - eager one!

[ADWatts]

Post by Tracy
Pass it on bro, pass it ooooon!! Now, now, now!!! If you feel a little shy
about posting it here, you can send it to individuals who specifically ask
to read it - er.. like me..me.. meeeeeeeeeee!! My hotmail addy is fine :)
Tracy - eager one!

Sent.

It's not about being shy, it's about whether or not it's actually
in good enough shape to warrant a posting.

I did some very atypical things in writing this story because I
was creating it for a "tribute" magazine. I including a lot of
material that I wouldn't have if only writing the story for my
own amusement. Such as including little "nods" here and there
as "references" to all four films. Some of them I feel OK with,
while others come off as not much more than pure "rip-offs".

The story is a strange mix in many ways. Original ideas not
fully explored mixed with touches of "borrowed" material
from the films themselves. Sections which are clearly *my*
style mixed with sections I basically included to serve the
"mechanics" of what fans might expect from an Alien story.

Still, it's mostly what *I* wanted from the story; which was
a very personal look at an encounter with the aliens from only
two perspectives. I like the first part of the story, and the end.
It's just the middle which I don't feel is very strong, and a bit
muddled in concept.

Anyway, it needs work, pure and simple. But if you, and a
couple of others that I respect here, feel it still has enough
entertainment value, then what the hell. Nothing wrong with
presenting something flawed if it's still interesting, I guess.

I don't know. My *feelings* about the story are mixed as
well! :-)

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Tracy]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Tracy
Pass it on bro, pass it ooooon!! Now, now, now!!! If you feel a little

shy

Post by Tracy
about posting it here, you can send it to individuals who specifically ask
to read it - er.. like me..me.. meeeeeeeeeee!! My hotmail addy is fine :)
Tracy - eager one!

Sent.
It's not about being shy, it's about whether or not it's actually
in good enough shape to warrant a posting.
I did some very atypical things in writing this story because I
was creating it for a "tribute" magazine. I including a lot of
material that I wouldn't have if only writing the story for my
own amusement. Such as including little "nods" here and there
as "references" to all four films. Some of them I feel OK with,
while others come off as not much more than pure "rip-offs".
The story is a strange mix in many ways. Original ideas not
fully explored mixed with touches of "borrowed" material
from the films themselves. Sections which are clearly *my*
style mixed with sections I basically included to serve the
"mechanics" of what fans might expect from an Alien story.
Still, it's mostly what *I* wanted from the story; which was
a very personal look at an encounter with the aliens from only
two perspectives. I like the first part of the story, and the end.
It's just the middle which I don't feel is very strong, and a bit
muddled in concept.
Anyway, it needs work, pure and simple. But if you, and a
couple of others that I respect here, feel it still has enough
entertainment value, then what the hell. Nothing wrong with
presenting something flawed if it's still interesting, I guess.
I don't know. My *feelings* about the story are mixed as
well! :-)
Have a great day!
Ahmed

Well, its captivating me so far - not read alot as other duties abound, but
*will* definately take time out to read it. Your style is unique, I like
it!! It flows in a way that makes you want to keep reading, rather than
feel exhausted and take time out - does that make sense? Easy going is
appropriate wording, I s'pose!

And flaws are unique to each individual - in fact, flaws can maketh a
story - dont care what anyone says!! If you think about it, if it wasnt for
flaws, half of us *here* wouldnt have anything to talk about - ha! ha!
:))))

And as for rip-off - if you are familiar and obsessive with a particular
story (like we are here), then when you read a story (or watch a movie) that
uses *already done* it can add a nice warm feel - simply because we connect
or relate to the subject.

Whats *that* one-liner Sigourney says in Galaxy Quest?? - the writers *knew*
the fans of Alien would relate and find it extremely funny, simply because
of that relation. That happened to be a comedy - it is used in serious
stories too and has the same cosiness about it! So, bugger your *rip-offs*,
Ahmed, I will enjoy coming across them and relating!!!!!!! :))))))

Think of:

"We're gonna need a bigga boat"!!

"It's full of stars"!!

You watch enough movies (sci-fi generally) and the rip offs are there to see
and hear!

[David Simmons]

|Whats *that* one-liner Sigourney says in Galaxy Quest??

"Ducts! Why is it always ducts?!"

Dave S.

[ADWatts]

Post by Tracy

Post by Tracy
Pass it on bro, pass it ooooon!!

Sent.

Well, its captivating me so far - not read alot as other duties abound, but
*will* definately take time out to read it. Your style is unique, I like
it!! It flows in a way that makes you want to keep reading, rather than
feel exhausted and take time out - does that make sense? Easy going is
appropriate wording, I s'pose!

Thank you for that compliment. What your talking about
probably comes from my days as a journalist. Fiction is
quite different, but I found more people liked my stories
when I applied some of the "rules" of journalism to my
fiction.

I definately try to keep "unnecessary" details to a minimum
so that a story has a "quicker" pace. Sometimes it works,
somtimes it doesn't.

Post by Tracy
And flaws are unique to each individual - in fact, flaws can maketh a
story - dont care what anyone says!! If you think about it, if it wasnt for
flaws, half of us *here* wouldnt have anything to talk about - ha! ha!
:))))

True.

But once you get deeper into the story, you'll probably
see what I mean. Then again, maybe I'm just being to
harsh on myself.

Post by Tracy
And as for rip-off - if you are familiar and obsessive with a particular
story (like we are here), then when you read a story (or watch a movie) that
uses *already done* it can add a nice warm feel - simply because we connect
or relate to the subject.

Again, *very* true. However, after four films, it just
seemed like certain things have been "run into the
ground". I wanted to include them to have that sense
of familiarity, but in general I try to stay away from
"cliches" unless I'm making fun of them.

That's not easy to do! I wanted to do a classic "visitors
from space" story for a class I was taking once, and
try as I might, it sorely lacked a hint of originality no
matter what I tried. The formula is exhausted. So in
that particular case, I said, "OK, the story will suck,
but I will do something original with the dialouge to
make it stand out." I think it worked. But it's still "just
another 'visitors from space' story".

Post by Tracy
Whats *that* one-liner Sigourney says in Galaxy Quest?? - the writers *knew*
the fans of Alien would relate and find it extremely funny, simply because
of that relation. That happened to be a comedy - it is used in serious
stories too and has the same cosiness about it! So, bugger your *rip-offs*,
Ahmed, I will enjoy coming across them and relating!!!!!!! :))))))

Thanks! I really do hope you enjoy it!

Post by Tracy
You watch enough movies (sci-fi generally) and the rip offs are there to see
and hear!

True enough . . .

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by Tracy
Pass it on bro, pass it ooooon!! Now, now, now!!! If you feel a little

shy

Post by Tracy
about posting it here, you can send it to individuals who specifically ask
to read it - er.. like me..me.. meeeeeeeeeee!! My hotmail addy is fine :)
Tracy - eager one!

I would like to see the story too

[ADWatts]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I would like to see the story too

Sent it to the reply addy. Let me know if it's not
real or you don't get it.

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by ADWatts

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I would like to see the story too

Sent it to the reply addy. Let me know if it's not
real or you don't get it.
Have a great day!
Ahmed

I got it, thanks!

Dom

[John Redman]

Post by ADWatts

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I would like to see the story too

Sent it to the reply addy. Let me know if it's not
real or you don't get it.

Me too. Me too.

[ADWatts]

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I would like to see the story too

Sent it to the reply addy. Let me know if it's not
real or you don't get it.

Me too. Me too.

Ok. Ok. I REMOVEdTHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS
and it's on it's merry way!

Hope you, and everyone else enjoys it.

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[John Redman]

Post by ADWatts
Ok. Ok. I REMOVEdTHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS
and it's on it's merry way!

Most interesting so far.

[ADWatts]

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts
Ok. Ok. I REMOVEdTHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS
and it's on it's merry way!

Most interesting so far.

Glad to hear it. The opening to a story is often the most
difficult part, so it's nice to know that I at least got *that*
part down. (According to both you and Tracy.)

Hope the rest doesn't let either of you down.

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Tracy]

Post by ADWatts

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts
Ok. Ok. I REMOVEdTHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS
and it's on it's merry way!

Most interesting so far.

Glad to hear it. The opening to a story is often the most
difficult part, so it's nice to know that I at least got *that*
part down. (According to both you and Tracy.)
Hope the rest doesn't let either of you down.
Have a great day!
Ahmed

You got the opening right, the middle part right and most certainly the
ending right <sniff>

Brilliant, Ahmed - thoroughly enjoyed that story - the SJ's ROCK!!!

[ADWatts]

Post by Tracy

Post by ADWatts

Post by John Redman
Most interesting so far.

Glad to hear it. The opening to a story is often the most
difficult part, so it's nice to know that I at least got *that*
part down. (According to both you and Tracy.)
Hope the rest doesn't let either of you down.

You got the opening right, the middle part right and most certainly the
ending right <sniff>
Brilliant, Ahmed - thoroughly enjoyed that story - the SJ's ROCK!!!

Thank you, Tracy. I'm really glad you enjoy it! Maybe it
doesn't need as much of a re-write as I feared. :-)

And yes, *my* SJs do rock! :-P

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[John Redman]

Post by ADWatts
And yes, *my* SJs do rock! :-P

They were a shade humanoid for my tastes but it was still better than A3 or
A4...

[Tracy]

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts
And yes, *my* SJs do rock! :-P

They were a shade humanoid for my tastes but it was still better than A3
or A4...

Well, it must all be a matter of perspective or personal interpretation - I
didnt pick up *humanoid* at all as far as the SJ's are concerned.
Bipedal maybe, benevolent maybe, sentient certainly, but definately a
completely different species.

[John Redman]

Post by Tracy

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts
And yes, *my* SJs do rock! :-P

They were a shade humanoid for my tastes but it was still better than A3
or A4...

Well, it must all be a matter of perspective or personal interpretation -
I didnt pick up *humanoid* at all as far as the SJ's are concerned.
Bipedal maybe, benevolent maybe, sentient certainly, but definately a
completely different species.

Bipedal was the giveaway. The SJ in A1 grew out of the chair. Other SJs
might look wholly unalike him. Or her.

[ADWatts]

Post by John Redman
Bipedal was the giveaway. The SJ in A1 grew out of the chair. Other SJs
might look wholly unalike him. Or her.

What do you mean by "grew out of"?

I always just took it that both the SJ and the "chair"
fossilized together, not that one necessarily "grew"
into/out of the another.

As for the bipedal/humaniod issue: look at the SJ's
arms, hands, and fingers -- all very humanoid and
I just don't see them as being a set of legs at all.

Blame Giger, not me! :-)

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[John Redman]

Post by ADWatts
I always just took it that both the SJ and the "chair"
fossilized together, not that one necessarily "grew"
into/out of the another.

Dallas remarks that the SJ looks like it grew out of the chair. It appears
to start at the waist, having a ribcage and arms, but no legs.

Alternatively, the ship was grown onto the SJ.

Either way, all he has is what he needs to occupy that chair.

[ADWatts]

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts
I always just took it that both the SJ and the "chair"
fossilized together, not that one necessarily "grew"
into/out of the another.

Dallas remarks that the SJ looks like it grew out of the chair. It appears
to start at the waist, having a ribcage and arms, but no legs.
Alternatively, the ship was grown onto the SJ.
Either way, all he has is what he needs to occupy that chair.

With Giger, you're probably right!

It's just never the way I took it. Dallas saying "looks
like" means just that to me: a visual observation, not
some theory about the actual combining of the SJ
and the instrument.

Think about go-karts. Let's say we had somebody
fossilized in a go-kart and discovered centuries
later when noone knew what the hell a go-kart
was. Wouldn't it probably look like the person
ended at the waist, with their legs encased in
the body of the go-kart and thus "hidden".

I guess this is just a case where you're being more
imaginative than I! Your take on it is definately
more interesting, but I don't think it would change
my personal view on what the SJs might be.

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Tracy]

Post by ADWatts
I guess this is just a case where you're being more
imaginative than I! Your take on it is definately
more interesting, but I don't think it would change
my personal view on what the SJs might be.

The thing is, Ahmed, your personal view is very much like mine on this -
reading your story confirmed this - *two* cant be wrong, eh?? <grin>

[ADWatts]

Post by Tracy

Post by ADWatts
I guess this is just a case where you're being more
imaginative than I! Your take on it is definately
more interesting, but I don't think it would change
my personal view on what the SJs might be.

The thing is, Ahmed, your personal view is very much like mine on this -
reading your story confirmed this - *two* cant be wrong, eh?? <grin>

Is that like "two wrongs don't make a right" -- "two
rights don't make a wrong"! :-)

Ahmed
I'd better get my ass off usenet and get to work! Yikes! What
time is it?! Dang . . .

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

I think of his seat structure as a thing that fused with his body,
wrapping itself around the Jockey's body as close as a jacket. I like
the unused idea that Scott had for Bladerunner that involved Roy Batty
having a coat that removed itself off from his body in a strange way
as if it were almost alive itself

So, I think maybe that the spacejockey's body also to some degree
change it's shape to fit into the seat as well.

I like to think of the idea that it is hard to say where one begins
and the other ends, I like to think that maybe they as soon as the
jockey gets in his seat, his body and the seat knit together down to a
cellular level. so if his body were pulled out, much of it would be
left behind in the mechanisms of the seat or the mechanisms of the
seat would be coming away knitted into the flesh. I like the idea that
the spacejockey needs to feel as if he is a part of the vessel and the
vessel needs to feel as if it is part of the spacejockey.

On the back of the Giger's Biomechanics book, there is this a vague
sketch of an almost skeletal humanoid biomechanoid thing under the
words Dolce Vita. I like the fact that it appears in the sketch to
support itself on one tentacle or tail like limb and also on one leg
that has a strange foot that seems to bend in a few strange
overjointed ways. I would use the ideas shown in this picture for the
lower torso of the spacejockey.



Dom

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I think of his seat structure as a thing
that fused with his body, wrapping itself
around the Jockey's body as close as
a jacket.

That would make it rather difficult from which to extricate oneself in the
case of a sudden urge to urinate, though, wouldn't it?!
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Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I think of his seat structure as a thing
that fused with his body, wrapping itself
around the Jockey's body as close as
a jacket.

That would make it rather difficult from which to extricate oneself in the
case of a sudden urge to urinate, though, wouldn't it?!

okay,

1. I am not creating the idea that it takes a long time for the jockey
to get out of his seat. It may be a complicated process that takes
place before he gets out of his seat but it may be instantanious.

2. I don't know whether the space jockey had a bladder or not, and it
if did, the urine could be extracted from the body by the machinary.

Dom


Dom

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by ADWatts
Think about go-karts. Let's say we had somebody
fossilized in a go-kart and discovered centuries
later when noone knew what the hell a go-kart
was. Wouldn't it probably look like the person
ended at the waist, with their legs encased in
the body of the go-kart and thus "hidden".

now are you going to give us a little bit more information about this
process of fossilisation that you are referring to?

[ADWatts]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by ADWatts
Think about go-karts. Let's say we had somebody
fossilized in a go-kart and discovered centuries
later when noone knew what the hell a go-kart
was. Wouldn't it probably look like the person
ended at the waist, with their legs encased in
the body of the go-kart and thus "hidden".

now are you going to give us a little bit more information about this
process of fossilisation that you are referring to?

Since we don't really know the history of the derelict
I'm ceratinly not going to be able to pinpoint *exactly*
what happened with the Space Jockey, but I would
say that it was petrified.

As for my example, I guess it doesn't really matter. Let's
say the driver was reckless and fell into a pit of mud or
tar (like many dinosaurs) and was never found. The
racer was fossilized and dug out centuries later. Or the
guy was testing a new go-kart in some remote location,
died unexpectedly and was under the right conditions
for petrification. Hell, I don't know, it's just a bizarre
example that came into my mind where someone has
their legs "hidden". *If* fossilized, it could look like
the person was "growing out of the go-kart" or
vice-versa.

Or, maybe that's the way the SJ always looked; that
its state was more preserved than altered. Like I said,
I wouldn't doubt if Giger saw it as "half-alien/half-machine,
and that's a very interesting idea. It just wouldn't work
for the type of story I was trying to tell. Not that I
*wouldn't* want to explore the Alien universe in that
way; it's just that I was asked for something more
"mainstream".

That's the great thing about the mysteries surrounding
the first film; there are so many different opinions and
ideas out there. In some ways, I'm actually glad that
there hasn't been anything filmed about the SJs and
the "mystical" aspects of the aliens because then we
will "lose" a lot of that mystery. My ideas are just that,
only mine. No better or worse than anyone else's.

I just think that the SJ has legs tucked away in that
contraption. If it's biomechanical, that's cool, too.

Hope that answers the question.

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

Post by ADWatts

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by ADWatts
Think about go-karts. Let's say we had somebody
fossilized in a go-kart and discovered centuries
later when noone knew what the hell a go-kart
was. Wouldn't it probably look like the person
ended at the waist, with their legs encased in
the body of the go-kart and thus "hidden".

now are you going to give us a little bit more information about this
process of fossilisation that you are referring to?

Since we don't really know the history of the derelict
I'm ceratinly not going to be able to pinpoint *exactly*
what happened with the Space Jockey, but I would
say that it was petrified.

I am wondering now about the silicon content of a spacejockey's body
and what that would do to the preservation of bones

[ADWatts]

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm

Post by ADWatts
Since we don't really know the history of the derelict
I'm certainly not going to be able to pinpoint *exactly*
what happened with the Space Jockey, but I would
say that it was petrified.

I am wondering now about the silicon content of a spacejockey's body
and what that would do to the preservation of bones

If they have silicon in their bodies.

I'm no scientist, so I'm not sure. Since it's found in rock
and sand already, I wouldn't think it alter the outward
appearance of a petrified SJ or alien. It might make
the process easier.

But they probably make for really nice semi-conductors! :-)

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[John Redman]

Post by ADWatts
I just think that the SJ has legs tucked away in that
contraption. If it's biomechanical, that's cool, too.

I figure it would have a taproot which runs for miles inside the structure
of the derelict. It's unable to move because it doesn't need to. If the race
that made it can make the alien, it can certainly engineer a version of
itself which is integral with the ship it flies.

[ADWatts]

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts
I just think that the SJ has legs tucked away in that
contraption. If it's biomechanical, that's cool, too.

I figure it would have a taproot which runs for miles inside the structure
of the derelict. It's unable to move because it doesn't need to. If the race
that made it can make the alien, it can certainly engineer a version of
itself which is integral with the ship it flies.

"If" the aliens were bioengineered. :-)

It's a very interesting idea. Has some really nice possiblities.
Like I said, I never really thought about it that way before,
but in a "biomechanical" society it would certainly make
plenty of sense.

Have a great day!

Ahmed

[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts

Post by wmmvrrvrrmm
I would like to see the story too

Sent it to the reply addy. Let me
know if it's not real or you don't get it.

Me too. Me too.

Me three; me three!

Can we all go for ice cream later?
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
of course, there's still the possibility that certain talented folks on this
newsgroup might come up with a script worthy of Sir SCOTT'S interest (alone
or in collaboration).

I'm about half way through the Shakey version !

;' )

(I've based it on the screenplay, which, as we know, is slightly different
to the movie, mostly cos there is slightly more dialogue!)


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[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by Covenant

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
of course, there's still the possibility
that certain talented folks on
this newsgroup might come up with a
script worthy of Sir SCOTT'S interest
(alone or in collaboration).

I'm about half way through the Shakey
version !

Great stuff; I'm personally looking forward to that.

Other contacts with the alien creature that could be interesting are during
the Victorian Age at the height of the Jack The Ripper murders, as well as
during the Roaring Twenties at the height of gangland slayings.

(I know, 'blaming the alien for the evil that humans do' is not a new theme,
but I'm sure that some new twists and turns could be explored.)

Post by Covenant
(I've based it on the screenplay, which,
as we know, is slightly different
to the movie, mostly cos there is
slightly more dialogue!)

John's comments regarding the use of 'effs' in the place of 'esses' and 'ye'
in the place of 'the' reminded me how much research is required for the sake
of authenticity.

Judging by your previous work, I'm confident that you'll pull it off.
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
message

Post by Covenant

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
of course, there's still the possibility
that certain talented folks on
this newsgroup might come up with a
script worthy of Sir SCOTT'S interest
(alone or in collaboration).

I'm about half way through the Shakey
version !

Great stuff; I'm personally looking forward to that.
Other contacts with the alien creature that could be interesting are during
the Victorian Age at the height of the Jack The Ripper murders, as well as
during the Roaring Twenties at the height of gangland slayings.
(I know, 'blaming the alien for the evil that humans do' is not a new theme,
but I'm sure that some new twists and turns could be explored.)

The *ripper* is certainly a good one !

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by Covenant
(I've based it on the screenplay, which,
as we know, is slightly different
to the movie, mostly cos there is
slightly more dialogue!)

John's comments regarding the use of 'effs' in the place of 'esses' and 'ye'
in the place of 'the' reminded me how much research is required for the sake
of authenticity.
Judging by your previous work, I'm confident that you'll pull it off.

Awwh shucks !!!!

;' )


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[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by Covenant

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Other contacts with the alien creature
that could be interesting are during
the Victorian Age at the height of the
Jack The Ripper murders, as well as
during the Roaring Twenties at the
height of gangland slayings.
(I know, 'blaming the alien for the evil
that humans do' is not a new theme,
but I'm sure that some new twists
and turns could be explored.)

The *ripper* is certainly a good one !

The historical Jack The Ripper was fixated on women, specifically
prostitutes.

From what we've seen thus far, the alien creature doesn't seem to play
favourites with its victims; it'll kill anyone.

With that in mind, it would be interesting to see the impact of a parallel
set of killings on a Victorian Era public, and the impact of same on the
investigative process.
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by Covenant

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Other contacts with the alien creature
that could be interesting are during
the Victorian Age at the height of the
Jack The Ripper murders, as well as
during the Roaring Twenties at the
height of gangland slayings.
(I know, 'blaming the alien for the evil
that humans do' is not a new theme,
but I'm sure that some new twists
and turns could be explored.)

The *ripper* is certainly a good one !

The historical Jack The Ripper was fixated on women, specifically
prostitutes.
From what we've seen thus far, the alien creature doesn't seem to play
favourites with its victims; it'll kill anyone.

True...

But the streetwalkers were more likely to be alone !!

;' )

business was bad in those days!

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Post by Covenant

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
The historical Jack The Ripper was
fixated on women, specifically
prostitutes.
From what we've seen thus far, the
alien creature doesn't seem to play
favourites with its victims; it'll kill
anyone.

True...
But the streetwalkers were more likely
to be alone !!

Hm-m-m, indeed, and alleyways would be akin to cargo bays and airduct
systems on an spacecraft ...

Post by Covenant
business was bad in those days!

*Because* of the Victorian Era, you mean?

There must've been some alternative form of sex trade taking place, though,
right?

Say, for example, high-society escorts to the kinky Royals?

If some talented person (hint, hint) were to pursue this in a novel /
novella, it'd make it interesting if a couple of johns met their untimely
ends, as well, just for good measure ;-).
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Post by Covenant

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
The historical Jack The Ripper was
fixated on women, specifically
prostitutes.
From what we've seen thus far, the
alien creature doesn't seem to play
favourites with its victims; it'll kill
anyone.

True...
But the streetwalkers were more likely
to be alone !!

Hm-m-m, indeed, and alleyways would be akin to cargo bays and airduct
systems on an spacecraft ...

Post by Covenant
business was bad in those days!

*Because* of the Victorian Era, you mean?
There must've been some alternative form of sex trade taking place, though,
right?
Say, for example, high-society escorts to the kinky Royals?
If some talented person (hint, hint) were to pursue this in a novel /
novella, it'd make it interesting if a couple of johns met their untimely
ends, as well, just for good measure ;-).

Hey !!!!

I just had a great idea!!!!

The ripper victims.
The dude who went missing who everyone thought was the ripper.
Amelia Erheart
The Big Bopper/Buddy Holly/Richie Valance
Glenn Miller
The Lindburg Baby...
Lord Lucan



;' ))))


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[Glen A. RITCHIE]

Post by Covenant
Hey !!!!
I just had a great idea!!!!
The ripper victims.
The dude who went missing who
everyone thought was the ripper.
Amelia Erheart
The Big Bopper/Buddy Holly/Richie
Valance
Glenn Miller
The Lindburg Baby...
Lord Lucan

A 'Bermuda Triangle' which turns out to be none other than the
gastrointestinal tract of our beloved alien?!
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by Covenant
Hey !!!!
I just had a great idea!!!!
The ripper victims.
The dude who went missing who
everyone thought was the ripper.
Amelia Erheart
The Big Bopper/Buddy Holly/Richie
Valance
Glenn Miller
The Lindburg Baby...
Lord Lucan

A 'Bermuda Triangle' which turns out to be none other than the
gastrointestinal tract of our beloved alien?!
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YOU'RE ALL STAAAAAAARK RAVING MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tracy]

Post by ADWatts

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE

Post by Covenant

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
The historical Jack The Ripper was
fixated on women, specifically
prostitutes.
From what we've seen thus far, the
alien creature doesn't seem to play
favourites with its victims; it'll kill
anyone.

True...
But the streetwalkers were more likely
to be alone !!

Hm-m-m, indeed, and alleyways would be akin to cargo bays and airduct
systems on an spacecraft ...

Post by Covenant
business was bad in those days!

*Because* of the Victorian Era, you mean?
There must've been some alternative form of sex trade taking place,

though,

Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
right?
Say, for example, high-society escorts to the kinky Royals?
If some talented person (hint, hint) were to pursue this in a novel /
novella, it'd make it interesting if a couple of johns met their untimely
ends, as well, just for good measure ;-).

Hey !!!!
I just had a great idea!!!!
The ripper victims.
The dude who went missing who everyone thought was the ripper.
Amelia Erheart
The Big Bopper/Buddy Holly/Richie Valance
Glenn Miller
The Lindburg Baby...
Lord Lucan

Dont forget Shergar!!!!!! NEIGH!

[John Redman]

Post by ADWatts
No. There might be more Alien films in the future, but this series is
dead in any way that really matters. Ridley Scott can see that. I can
see that. Can you?
AR was bad enough, but AvP was the final nail in the coffin.

I reckon the writing was on the wall by about halfway through the opening
credits of A3. By that time, it was abundantly clear that we were being
handed shit on a plate in respect of character and continuity, and that the
excuse would be "So what if it's stupid? It's only a movie."

Once movie makers start to appeal to their audience to ignore how stupid
their franchise has become, and just pony up the money, that's the end.

[Covenant]

Post by John Redman

Post by ADWatts
No. There might be more Alien films in the future, but this series is
dead in any way that really matters. Ridley Scott can see that. I can
see that. Can you?
AR was bad enough, but AvP was the final nail in the coffin.

I reckon the writing was on the wall by about halfway through the opening
credits of A3. By that time, it was abundantly clear that we were being
handed shit on a plate in respect of character and continuity, and that the
excuse would be "So what if it's stupid? It's only a movie."

Best post this year !!!

;' )


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Post by John Redman
I reckon the writing was on the wall by
about halfway through the opening
credits of A3. By that time, it was
abundantly clear that we were being
handed shit on a plate

Yes, but they forgot to provide the audience with a bib, fork and knife at
the cinema, which is why none of us chewed, savoured and swallowed what was
being served.
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Post by Glen A. RITCHIE
Yes, but they forgot to provide the audience with a bib, fork and knife at
the cinema

Genuinely LOL!!!

[wmmvrrvrrmm]

well, for one thing the film has killed the mystery out of his
"they've been to earth before" comment that he made in that interview
with Don Shay for the laserdisc set


Dom