Kane's funeral

[Tracy]

Did I miss something here? Why did the crew of the Nostromo bury Kane's
body in space?

Was it:

Tradition? (If he had family, they would have surely wanted his body to
bury themselves?)

Contagion? (Too late, wasnt it? and there is no apparent conversation on
the need to bury Kane in space).

Decomposition? ("The best thing to do is just to freeze him" - they had the
facilities to put him on freeze before he died, so why not after??).

Any thoughts, guys.

Of course, if I have missed something and am gently reminded, I will hang my
head in shame, ok?

[Adam Cameron]

Post by Tracy
Tradition?

I always considered it to be a misplaced (by the filmmakers) sense of
tradition.

[Tracy]

Post by Adam Cameron

Post by Tracy
Tradition?

I always considered it to be a misplaced (by the filmmakers) sense of
tradition.

It certainly didnt make sense, the Nostromo just being a commercial starship
and all! It always bothered me!

[David A McIntee]

Post by Tracy

Post by Adam Cameron

Post by Tracy
Tradition?

I always considered it to be a misplaced (by the filmmakers) sense of
tradition.

It certainly didnt make sense, the Nostromo just being a commercial starship
and all! It always bothered me!

It was also setup for a red herring scare that they eventually didn't use
anyway...


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[Tracy]

Post by Tracy

Post by Tracy

Post by Adam Cameron

Post by Tracy
Tradition?

I always considered it to be a misplaced (by the filmmakers) sense of
tradition.

It certainly didnt make sense, the Nostromo just being a commercial

starship

Post by Tracy
and all! It always bothered me!

It was also setup for a red herring scare that they eventually didn't use
anyway...

Do you care to expand on that one, please? :)

[David A McIntee]

Post by Tracy

Post by David A McIntee
It was also setup for a red herring scare that they eventually didn't use
anyway...

Do you care to expand on that one, please? :)

Later on, ISTR in the unfinished airlock scene, the body would have come
back to the ship and scared the shit out of the remaining characters (who
would at first think it was the Alien)


--
Redemption 07 - B5 B7 and Beyond, 23-25 February 2007.
http://www.smof.com/redemption

"Learn to know the Dark Side of the Force, and you will achieve a power
greater than any Jedi." [Darth Sidious]

Currently reading: Under The Eagle [Simon Scarrow]

http://www.livejournal.com/~lonemagpie

[Tracy]

Post by David A McIntee

Post by Tracy

Post by David A McIntee
It was also setup for a red herring scare that they eventually didn't

use

Post by Tracy

Post by David A McIntee
anyway...

Do you care to expand on that one, please? :)

Later on, ISTR in the unfinished airlock scene, the body would have come
back to the ship and scared the shit out of the remaining characters (who
would at first think it was the Alien)

ah right!! :))

btw, off topic here, David - how BIG a fan are you of B5 yourself??

I am debating going to the Redemption - how popular has it been in the
past??

Post by David A McIntee
--
Redemption 07 - B5 B7 and Beyond, 23-25 February 2007.
http://www.smof.com/redemption
"Learn to know the Dark Side of the Force, and you will achieve a power
greater than any Jedi." [Darth Sidious]
Currently reading: Under The Eagle [Simon Scarrow]
http://www.livejournal.com/~lonemagpie

[David Simmons]

I thought I read somewhere (probably here!) that in another never-filmed
scene where Dallas and Ripley would be getting it on in one of those
bubbles/blisters (eww, gross name for a bubble-shaped window!) and then
Kane's body would drift by breaking the romantic mood a little.

Dave S.

Post by David A McIntee
Later on, ISTR in the unfinished airlock scene, the body would have come
back to the ship and scared the shit out of the remaining characters (who
would at first think it was the Alien)
--
Redemption 07 - B5 B7 and Beyond, 23-25 February 2007.
http://www.smof.com/redemption
"Learn to know the Dark Side of the Force, and you will achieve a power
greater than any Jedi." [Darth Sidious]
Currently reading: Under The Eagle [Simon Scarrow]
http://www.livejournal.com/~lonemagpie

[John Redman]

Post by David Simmons
I thought I read somewhere (probably here!) that in another never-filmed
scene where Dallas and Ripley would be getting it on in one of those
bubbles/blisters (eww, gross name for a bubble-shaped window!) and then
Kane's body would drift by breaking the romantic mood a little.

Or improving it if you're a Goth.

[w***@yahoo.com]

Post by Tracy
Tradition? (If he had family, they would have surely wanted his body to
bury themselves?)

okay, so what is the alternative if we assume he had no family?

[Adam Cameron]

Post by w***@yahoo.com
okay, so what is the alternative if we assume he had no family?

The thing is, most people *do* have family, so there'd not be a precedent
of "burial at sea".

So they'd freeze him, and take the body back for an inquest.

[Tracy]

Post by Adam Cameron

Post by w***@yahoo.com
okay, so what is the alternative if we assume he had no family?

The thing is, most people *do* have family, so there'd not be a precedent
of "burial at sea".
So they'd freeze him, and take the body back for an inquest.
--
Adam

It's the fact that they had the facilities to freeze him that confounds me!

I just got the impression that a commercial starship with blue-collar
workers would have taken a body home, not shoved it out into space.

Of course, if you are space expeditionists (James Kirk, Mr. Spock, etc),
then I can well imagine a burial in space - then again, look at the trouble
it caused the Enterprise when the Vulcans wanted Spock back!!!

[Robert]

Hoo-boy, let me butt in here.

The question you guys are (oddly, to me) confounded by can just as
rationally be applied to ALL SORTS of things in this and other space
genre films - the entire space-travel/ocean-travel parallel thingy. Why
do they have ranks? Why is it a 'ship'? Why is the head guy 'Captain'?
Why is the floor a 'deck'? And on, and on, and on. Burial at sea (or
space) doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you've got
_family_ (c'mon, you think everybody buried at sea was done that way
because nobody would collect the body?) It's stench, superstition and
tradition. Heck, if you're in the (US) Navy, they'll bring your body
back, cremate it, and tote your ass back out to sea and dump you over
the side...if that's what you want. And it'd be easy enough to surmise
the EXACT same thing happening in the 'Alien' universe - a service not
unlike the one now that does (did) this with the space shuttle. Bring
'em back and shoot 'em back into space. There's NO reason not to think
that the Weyland-Yutani employee application form (for space-faring
positions) doesn't have a check-box: "Burial at space?" I'll betcha
Dallas could even perform marriages. No reason not to think he
_couldn't_ , and no reason to be surprised if he did. He's the
'Captain' of a 'ship'. (Why isn't he the Maitre'd of a Rockete'? Huh?
Hey, if the French had won the space race....just kidding. :)

So, if you're willing to accept all the _other_ nautical carry-over
into space, I don't see how this can raise an eyebrow in the least. And
if NOT, in the matter of all that other maritime gobbledygook on a
spaceship, you're a lot like Lucy - you got some 'splainin' to do! :)

[Tracy]

Post by Robert
Hoo-boy, let me butt in here.
The question you guys are (oddly, to me) confounded by can just as
rationally be applied to ALL SORTS of things in this and other space
genre films - the entire space-travel/ocean-travel parallel thingy. Why
do they have ranks? Why is it a 'ship'? Why is the head guy 'Captain'?
Why is the floor a 'deck'? And on, and on, and on. Burial at sea (or
space) doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you've got
_family_ (c'mon, you think everybody buried at sea was done that way
because nobody would collect the body?) It's stench, superstition and
tradition. Heck, if you're in the (US) Navy, they'll bring your body
back, cremate it, and tote your ass back out to sea and dump you over
the side...if that's what you want. And it'd be easy enough to surmise
the EXACT same thing happening in the 'Alien' universe - a service not
unlike the one now that does (did) this with the space shuttle. Bring
'em back and shoot 'em back into space. There's NO reason not to think
that the Weyland-Yutani employee application form (for space-faring
positions) doesn't have a check-box: "Burial at space?" I'll betcha
Dallas could even perform marriages. No reason not to think he
_couldn't_ , and no reason to be surprised if he did. He's the
'Captain' of a 'ship'. (Why isn't he the Maitre'd of a Rockete'? Huh?
Hey, if the French had won the space race....just kidding. :)
So, if you're willing to accept all the _other_ nautical carry-over
into space, I don't see how this can raise an eyebrow in the least. And
if NOT, in the matter of all that other maritime gobbledygook on a
spaceship, you're a lot like Lucy - you got some 'splainin' to do! :)

Hi Robert,

3 points!

1) I did associate burial in space as the same as burial at sea - have
always been aware that space-faring is the same as sea-faring. After all,
the Enterprise was a sea-vessel (in fiction and real-life!).

2) I only question Kane's burial at space simply because of the facilities
on board the Nostromo - freezing/sleep-stasis. Hence, no "stench"!
Superstition? - um.. maybe but this is the future and superstition was
replaced by scientific logic. Tradition? Probably!!! Dunno!

3) My post did start a longish thread off - which is desperately needed
here once in a while! :))))

And why not "raise an eyebrow" once in a while?? :P

Merci beaucoup!

[Kryten]

Post by Adam Cameron

Post by w***@yahoo.com
okay, so what is the alternative if we assume he had no family?

The thing is, most people *do* have family, so there'd not be a precedent
of "burial at sea".
So they'd freeze him, and take the body back for an inquest.

When I worked on a commercial seismic exploration vessel, I noticed several
large empty chest freezers in the hold. Nowhere near the galley's food
freezers. I reckon they were for stiffy storage.

I'm sure they could have stored Kane in an empty food freezer.

Reminds me of a story about a cruise ship. Lots of oldies go on cruises, and
of course some die on board. One time they buried a guy at sea on the wrong
day, so they had no body to bury when the grieving widow. Rather than upset
the widow further, on the correct funeral day they solemnly buried a body
bag containing several sacks of potatoes.

[Walden Yapp]

Post by Tracy
Did I miss something here? Why did the crew of the Nostromo bury Kane's
body in space?
Tradition? (If he had family, they would have surely wanted his body to
bury themselves?)
Contagion? (Too late, wasnt it? and there is no apparent conversation on
the need to bury Kane in space).
Decomposition? ("The best thing to do is just to freeze him" - they had
the facilities to put him on freeze before he died, so why not after??).
Any thoughts, guys.
Of course, if I have missed something and am gently reminded, I will hang
my head in shame, ok?

It is a device I think by Scott. To show this death is not part of a crappy
horror movie body count but that Kane and all of the crew are full people
and when they die they are mourned and the killings are therefore real and
terrible.

[Tracy]

Post by Walden Yapp

Post by Tracy
Did I miss something here? Why did the crew of the Nostromo bury Kane's
body in space?
Tradition? (If he had family, they would have surely wanted his body to
bury themselves?)
Contagion? (Too late, wasnt it? and there is no apparent conversation on
the need to bury Kane in space).
Decomposition? ("The best thing to do is just to freeze him" - they had
the facilities to put him on freeze before he died, so why not after??).
Any thoughts, guys.
Of course, if I have missed something and am gently reminded, I will hang
my head in shame, ok?

It is a device I think by Scott. To show this death is not part of a
crappy horror movie body count but that Kane and all of the crew are full
people and when they die they are mourned and the killings are therefore
real and terrible.

That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. :))))

[Walden Yapp]

Post by Tracy

Post by Walden Yapp

Post by Tracy
Did I miss something here? Why did the crew of the Nostromo bury
Kane's body in space?
Tradition? (If he had family, they would have surely wanted his body to
bury themselves?)
Contagion? (Too late, wasnt it? and there is no apparent conversation
on the need to bury Kane in space).
Decomposition? ("The best thing to do is just to freeze him" - they had
the facilities to put him on freeze before he died, so why not after??).
Any thoughts, guys.
Of course, if I have missed something and am gently reminded, I will
hang my head in shame, ok?

It is a device I think by Scott. To show this death is not part of a
crappy horror movie body count but that Kane and all of the crew are full
people and when they die they are mourned and the killings are therefore
real and terrible.

That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. :))))

Another way to look at it is to squint slightly and incline your head
somewhat to the side. In truth I accept that this argument steps out of the
film itself and is no rationale why the characters should act in this way.
In answer to that I might say maybe the exit of the alien was so traumatic
that they needed to rid themselves of the ripped open body and not have it
waiting there when they woke. Also they might not be entirely sure that
there was nothing else gestating inside Kane and wanted him off the ship.
Their thinking might have been what with the thing still running about the
ship annoyed relatives at home were the least of their problems.

[Covenant]

Post by Walden Yapp
It is a device I think by Scott. To show this death is not part of a
crappy horror movie body count but that Kane and all of the crew are full
people and when they die they are mourned and the killings are therefore
real and terrible.

Apart from the fact that the crew don;t seem to be too bothered.

"Anyone wanna say anything...?"

Post by Walden Yapp

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Covenant
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