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Beautiful Monsters definite date
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David A McIntee
2005-04-11 11:30:50 UTC
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Oh, and while I'm here- April 21st for the book in UK stores! (July in the
US)


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wmmvrrvrrmm
2005-04-12 12:37:24 UTC
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Post by David A McIntee
Oh, and while I'm here- April 21st for the book in UK stores! (July in the
US)
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I'm patiently looking forwards to it
Tracy
2005-04-28 21:44:09 UTC
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Post by David A McIntee
Oh, and while I'm here- April 21st for the book in UK stores! (July in the
US)
So... are you *the* David McIntee - the author of Beautiful Monsters????

Only asking, cos I was checking out some Giger books in Amazon today and
came across it!!
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-08 13:09:24 UTC
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I thought that I typed a message last night as a response to buying the
book which I found in Forbidden Planet yesterday and it wasn't there
last Thursday. But I have not found my post in this NG today

Well, I have enjoyed reading the book so far because it is dense with
information and does what it can to embrace as much of the details as
possible about the movies and various spinoff publications, and I
wonder about the origin of a lot of the information because various
bits and pieces are unfamiliar to me, and some little bits of
information I question the reality of too, but then if one looks at the
interviews with great detail, they sometimes say things that conflict
with one another's memories, and I ask in the end, who's reality is the
more real.

I like wonder exactly what Dan O'Bannon personally contributed as
information in your interviews with him. I wonder also about the
questions that he answered on the stage as was mentioned in the
beginning.

So I wonder if you want us to all buy the book and attempt to pick it
apart any holes we can find in your face perhaps, after all the effort
you've put into it ;-p. And maybe the most nerdy of us will want to
know where you found this little bit out and that little bit out since
some of us are probably sitting on piles of interview material already
which perhaps we have not read as intricately as much as we would have
like to.

Thanks for creating the book. I will most likely be asking more
questions about little bits and pieces if you are likely to be able to
answer them

best wishes

Dominic
David A McIntee
2005-05-13 18:23:23 UTC
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I wonder about the origin of a lot of the information because various
bits and pieces are unfamiliar to me,
Good!
and some little bits of
information I question the reality of too, but then if one looks at the
interviews with great detail, they sometimes say things that conflict
with one another's memories, and I ask in the end, who's reality is the
more real.
It's hard to tell- you look at the answers from various people, then you see
if you can find documentary evidence for one way or the other. If you can't,
you just have to quote both and leave it to the reader...
I like wonder exactly what Dan O'Bannon personally contributed as
information in your interviews with him.
Lots of stuff - he was way cool about the whole thing.
So I wonder if you want us to all buy the book and attempt to pick it
apart any holes we can find in your face perhaps, after all the effort
you've put into it ;-p.
So long as you've paid for it, I get my cut!
And maybe the most nerdy of us will want to
know where you found this little bit out and that little bit out since
some of us are probably sitting on piles of interview material already
which perhaps we have not read as intricately as much as we would have
like to.
Feel free to ask (but remember most of it was actually written in 2003 and I
may not remember everything!)


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w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-29 14:35:51 UTC
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Okay, I believe that I read in your book that the planetoid is situated
in the Reticulum constellation. I am wondering how you came by that
revelation.
David A McIntee
2005-05-29 20:46:39 UTC
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Okay, I believe that I read in your book that the planetoid is situated
in the Reticulum constellation. I am wondering how you came by that
revelation.
'tis in several drafts of the script.

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w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-29 21:05:28 UTC
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aha, so you have several drafts that aren't generallly available?


Dom
David A McIntee
2005-05-30 00:02:52 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
aha, so you have several drafts that aren't generallly available?
I've read all of them.

ISTR Reticulum is mentioned in the novelisation as well, though I'd have to
dig it out of the loft to check!


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Robert
2005-05-30 00:20:07 UTC
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You guys are both killin' me here. IT'S IN THE MOVIE!! *cough* Listen
to Lambert when they're trying to figure out where they are, she
mentions Beta (or Zeta)(2?) Reticuli, both stars in the constellation
Reticulum, so either way...it's in there.

http://www.solstation.com/stars2/zeta-ret.htm

*chases wrmrmmvm and Dave with rolled-up newspaper*

Bad fan! Bad writer! Bad! Bad! Bad!

(I really hope you know I'm joking....)

*throws Frisbee and runs away in the opposite direction*
"Hehehehe."
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-30 11:33:15 UTC
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okay, well in the film, they are short of Zeta II Reticuli, but well,
that is still quite a way away since they are are not within the outer
rim and well Zeta II Reticuli is within the outer rim
David A McIntee
2005-05-30 16:53:47 UTC
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Post by Robert
You guys are both killin' me here. IT'S IN THE MOVIE!! *cough* Listen
to Lambert when they're trying to figure out where they are, she
mentions Beta (or Zeta)(2?) Reticuli, both stars in the constellation
Reticulum, so either way...it's in there.
I thought as much, but I haven't watched it for about a year and a half!

SFX gives the book four stars out of 5, BTW. Haven't seen a Dreamwatch
review yet, but I never saw last month's at all...


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w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-30 17:44:07 UTC
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David M wrote: I thought as much, but I haven't watched it for about a
year and a half!



so, does your statement about the planetoid being in the Reticulum
constellation come from the reference made to the ship being "short of
Zeta II Reticuli" then?
David A McIntee
2005-05-30 18:33:42 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
David M wrote: I thought as much, but I haven't watched it for about a
year and a half!
so, does your statement about the planetoid being in the Reticulum
constellation come from the reference made to the ship being "short of
Zeta II Reticuli" then?
In whichever medium, yes.


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w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-30 20:02:06 UTC
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okay well, thankyou very much! That helps me to know

Dom
John Redman
2005-05-30 10:20:15 UTC
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Although the idea of anything being "in" a certain constellation is a bit
hokey. Constellations are only such when viewed from earth and the stars
that make them up aren't necessarily close to each physically. The only
definite exception I can think of is the Pleiades.
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-30 11:36:37 UTC
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yes, well, I guess one can still be within the area of a constellation,
even though it might well be quite a vast area of space
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-30 12:02:46 UTC
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Post by John Redman
Although the idea of anything being "in" a certain constellation is a bit
hokey. Constellations are only such when viewed from earth and the stars
that make them up aren't necessarily close to each physically. The only
definite exception I can think of is the Pleiades.
actually, going further, what ever the reality of it is, if David has
found it mentioned in some of the scripts that he has access to, then
this is part of the expanded world of Alien in all of its abstract
sense

Dom
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-30 12:52:57 UTC
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Back in the time Alien was being written, Zeta Reticuli was generally
understood to be 37 light years away from us, and then the boundaries
of outer rim back then was generally understood 55 light years from
Sol, while O'Bannon had the idea of it being 54 in the sketch
accompanying his original script, and I imagine that Dan might have
understood a little about the idea of where this star system was in
relation to the outer rim because it was quite well known about because
of the Betty and Barney Hill's abduction by extra-terrestrials. So, I
suppose even taking into account the idea of shifts in the positions of
stars in relation to one another over the centuries, the Nostromo would
still quite possibly be quite a distance away from the Zeta Reticuli
star system.
John Redman
2005-05-30 22:23:47 UTC
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Post by w***@yahoo.com
Back in the time Alien was being written, Zeta Reticuli was generally
understood to be 37 light years away from us, and then the boundaries
of outer rim back then was generally understood 55 light years from
Sol, while O'Bannon had the idea of it being 54 in the sketch
accompanying his original script, and I imagine that Dan might have
understood a little about the idea of where this star system was in
relation to the outer rim because it was quite well known about because
of the Betty and Barney Hill's abduction by extra-terrestrials. So, I
suppose even taking into account the idea of shifts in the positions of
stars in relation to one another over the centuries, the Nostromo would
still quite possibly be quite a distance away from the Zeta Reticuli
star system.
The point I'm making is that any constellation is like looking down a tube
ten miles long. Starting 9 miles away, and at intervals an eighth of a mile,
there are eight spots of light. Seen from the right end of the tube, there's
a pattern, but if you're near one of the spots of light, the pattern is
invisible.

Ergo, "the constellation Reticulum" is not a physical location in any
meaningful sense of the word.

IIRC, the component stars of a constellation are named alphabetically (Greek
alphabet) and in descending order of magnitude, i.e. brightest to dimmest.
Zeta is the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet, so Zeta II Reticuli is a
pretty dim star, i.e. six orders of magnitude dimmer than the brightest star
in the constellation. The brightest star could be pretty dim to begin with -
though if it were excessively dim, probably nobody would have noticed it to
begin with.

So the star in question, being dim, is either very remote (unlikely) or
pretty insignificant (more likely) and Nostromo is well out there in the
sticks, in terms of astronomical real estate.

The most interesting thing about the constellation is that "reticulum" is
latin for "net". As in the net carried by a fisherman or gladiator with net
and trident.

Well and truly bagged.
Robert
2005-05-30 22:42:51 UTC
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Post by John Redman
Ergo, "the constellation Reticulum" is not a physical location in any
meaningful sense of the word.
Sure it is. Anybody with a star chart, in the right hemisphere and at
the right time of year, can step outside, look up and say "Ah! So
_that's_ where they were!" And they _will_ be looking in the right
place. Any further information isn't really helpful unless you're
planning to actually _go_ there, which I doubt most of Dave's readers
are.

Look, you're point's well-taken, really - it's just not much of a point
in this context. Now, if somebody on the _Nostromo_ had said, "Yep -
we're in the Reticulum constellation." then yah, it'd be a bit silly
and we'd have something meaty to argue about.

Or, let's look at this another way. Presume that Lambert's statement
means that they're physically located relatively close to the star in
question. Now, how would you tell the _average_ person where they were?
If there's a simpler, easier or even more accurate way to inform the
average person of where in the sky an object is, I'm all ears.
w***@yahoo.com
2005-05-30 23:03:09 UTC
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Post by John Redman
The point I'm making is that any constellation is like looking down a tube
ten miles long. Starting 9 miles away, and at intervals an eighth of a mile,
there are eight spots of light. Seen from the right end of the tube, there's
a pattern, but if you're near one of the spots of light, the pattern is
invisible.
thankyou for illustrating your point in this way, and still well it can
be seen as a location in an extreme way. But now it seems we have
sorted out what David was referring to and well he seems to have made
his statement based on the reference to the Zeta II Reticuli star and
we can make of that what we wish.

But if it had turned out that someone involved in the film had stated
that the planetoid was somewhere out in the constellation of Reticulum,
indeed it would be somewhere in that thing comparable to your ten mile
tube as seen from somewhere such as Earth where the constellation
patterns would be meaningful.

Dom
w***@yahoo.com
2005-06-05 09:32:36 UTC
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David wrote: I've read all of them.


Gosh!
Does that mean that you've even read the Alien script where on the
planetoid, they discover what looks like a deserted human base that
shows signs of a battle having taken place and well, the alien creature
in this case turns out to be the result of a experiment by humans?


Dom

David A McIntee
2005-05-13 18:20:04 UTC
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Post by David A McIntee
Oh, and while I'm here- April 21st for the book in UK stores! (July in the
US)
So... are you *the* David McIntee - the author of Beautiful Monsters????
Among other things, yes.


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Tracy
2005-05-13 19:17:08 UTC
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So... are you *the* David McIntee - the author of Beautiful Monsters????
Among other things, yes.
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