Your least favorite thing about the franchise...

[Robert]

OK, I thought that'd be an interesting topic. I guess we'll see. And we
all know AR:se sucked, so lets go for the nitpicks, or at least
something more substantive than "Director X is a jackass!", heheh.

The one thing that really grates on me (in a movie I otherwise _like_)
is Hudson's "ultimate badasses" monologue in the dropship (only in the
SE, I believe). It just sucks. I know some people find it funny, but
for me it's just annoying. Nothing I can put my finger on - maybe
Paxton was having a bad day or something, but it just doesn't work. For
me. :)

Next!


.

[USCM Mike]

Post by Robert
OK, I thought that'd be an interesting topic. I guess we'll see. And we
all know AR:se sucked, so lets go for the nitpicks, or at least something
more substantive than "Director X is a jackass!", heheh.
The one thing that really grates on me (in a movie I otherwise _like_) is
Hudson's "ultimate badasses" monologue in the dropship (only in the SE, I
believe). It just sucks. I know some people find it funny, but for me it's
just annoying. Nothing I can put my finger on - maybe Paxton was having a
bad day or something, but it just doesn't work. For me. :)
Next!

That monologue was cool. I dunno about you, but I have a military
background including airborne stuff & what he was saying I thought was
very cool. Getting pumped for a drop!

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[Robert]

Post by USCM Mike
That monologue was cool. I dunno about you, but I have a military
background including airborne stuff & what he was saying I thought was
very cool. Getting pumped for a drop!

I was a sub sailor, but did commo support for a whole raft-load of SF
ops, including drops, so it's not that. :) And it's not really a
rah-rah session, he's just BS'ng for Ripley. Like I said, I can't put
my finger on it, but it just didn't 'fit'. Maybe it wasn't over-the-top
_enough_, or something. I dunno.

[Adam Cameron]

Post by USCM Mike
That monologue was cool. I dunno about you, but I have a military
background including airborne stuff & what he was saying I thought was
very cool. Getting pumped for a drop!

I can't vouch for the CONTENT of what he was saying: it sounds pretty
stupid to me, but maybe it's quite realistic a thing to be saying in such
circumstances? That's neither here nor there as far as my opinion of the
scene is concerned.

The *manner* in which Paxton delivered it seemed a bit flat to me, like -
for example - if PAXTON himself thought it was a bit of a stupid diatribe
to be having to read. I didn't think the scene was convincing, and was
rightly excised from the movie.

[Tracy]

Post by Robert
OK, I thought that'd be an interesting topic. I guess we'll see. And we
all know AR:se sucked, so lets go for the nitpicks, or at least
something more substantive than "Director X is a jackass!", heheh.
The one thing that really grates on me (in a movie I otherwise _like_)
is Hudson's "ultimate badasses" monologue in the dropship (only in the
SE, I believe). It just sucks. I know some people find it funny, but
for me it's just annoying. Nothing I can put my finger on - maybe
Paxton was having a bad day or something, but it just doesn't work. For
me. :)
Next!
.

Good, good motivational post, Robert :))))

In Alien (and this film is the God of all films for me, I hasten to
add!) - Ash attempting to choke Ripley with the rolled up magazine - it
is so not realistic - its not even in her mouth - its like crammed on
her lips. It naffs me off!
That scene could have been done better.

And.... and... in Aliens - Evil Bishop's silly hanging-off ear! Did we
ever conclude if that was simply a bad makeup scene or something more
sinister? (Shut up, Cov!) :))

[Doctor J. Frink]

Post by Tracy
In Alien (and this film is the God of all films for me, I hasten to
add!) - Ash attempting to choke Ripley with the rolled up magazine - it
is so not realistic - its not even in her mouth - its like crammed on
her lips. It naffs me off!

Well, if someone was trying to shove a rolled up newspaper in your gob
would you open up and say "Ahhh"? ;0)

I don't find it out of place. Ash was definitely losing his marbles by
this point, and could have easily just choked her with his hands.
There's something about the quiet, overly intense, methodical way he
rolls that magazine up, then tries to force it in her mouth that I find
chilling.

Post by Tracy
That scene could have been done better.
And.... and... in Aliens - Evil Bishop's silly hanging-off ear! Did we
ever conclude if that was simply a bad makeup scene or something more
sinister? (Shut up, Cov!) :))

Oh dear, don't open all that up again (the argument, not the ear!)

Frink

[Tracy]

Post by Doctor J. Frink

Post by Tracy
In Alien (and this film is the God of all films for me, I hasten to
add!) - Ash attempting to choke Ripley with the rolled up magazine - it
is so not realistic - its not even in her mouth - its like crammed on
her lips. It naffs me off!

Well, if someone was trying to shove a rolled up newspaper in your gob
would you open up and say "Ahhh"? ;0)

He iwas extraordinarly strong - it would have been easy!

Post by Doctor J. Frink
I don't find it out of place. Ash was definitely losing his marbles by
this point, and could have easily just choked her with his hands.
There's something about the quiet, overly intense, methodical way he
rolls that magazine up, then tries to force it in her mouth that I find
chilling.

I didnt say it was out of place. I said it was unrealistic. Ash's
malfunction is nasty, his attack on Ripley is vicious - but the scene
is attempting to indicate an actual penetration of her mouth, with the
intent of actually choking her to death. But the magazine isnt even in
her mouth - it is meant to be depicted that way, but it isnt.

Its disappointing - visually.

Post by Doctor J. Frink

Post by Tracy
That scene could have been done better.
And.... and... in Aliens - Evil Bishop's silly hanging-off ear! Did we
ever conclude if that was simply a bad makeup scene or something more
sinister? (Shut up, Cov!) :))

Oh dear, don't open all that up again (the argument, not the ear!)
Frink

Okay, but did you spot the deliberate mistake? My faux pas is
unforgiveable!! :P

[Robert]

Post by Tracy
I didnt say it was out of place. I said it was unrealistic.

AH! Ok, I can agree with this - I think it was just too far outside the
'stunt' range of the actors to carry it off believably, and possibly
time/money - consider making a safe prosthetic thingy for Weaver to
bite down on and matching the protruding magazine, the multiple takes
and editing that would be required, risk of injury (heck, maybe Weaver
just got back from the dentist that day or something...)...etc, etc.

Consider all that, but figure that the audience is going to figure,
"Well, ol' Ash does have a major wire loose..." and most people are
going to let it slide.

So, I agree with your observation - it just doesn't really bug me as
much as it does you. :)

.

[Doctor J. Frink]

Post by Tracy

Post by Doctor J. Frink
I don't find it out of place. Ash was definitely losing his marbles by
this point, and could have easily just choked her with his hands.
There's something about the quiet, overly intense, methodical way he
rolls that magazine up, then tries to force it in her mouth that I find
chilling.

I didnt say it was out of place. I said it was unrealistic. Ash's
malfunction is nasty, his attack on Ripley is vicious - but the scene
is attempting to indicate an actual penetration of her mouth, with the
intent of actually choking her to death. But the magazine isnt even in
her mouth - it is meant to be depicted that way, but it isnt.
Its disappointing - visually.

Ah, ok, I'll have to watch that again but you're probably right. I
usually pick up on things that don't look right but it probably doesn't
bother me enough.

What does bother me is when Ash's head gets knocked off and his arms are
jerking about in a very stereotypical robot manner. It's like someone
trying to do a very bad robot impression.

Post by Tracy

Post by Doctor J. Frink

Post by Tracy
And.... and... in Aliens - Evil Bishop's silly hanging-off ear! Did we
ever conclude if that was simply a bad makeup scene or something more
sinister? (Shut up, Cov!) :))

Oh dear, don't open all that up again (the argument, not the ear!)
Frink

Okay, but did you spot the deliberate mistake? My faux pas is
unforgiveable!! :P

I see it now ;0).

Frink

[Covenant]

Post by Doctor J. Frink

Post by Tracy
In Alien (and this film is the God of all films for me, I hasten to
add!) - Ash attempting to choke Ripley with the rolled up magazine - it
is so not realistic - its not even in her mouth - its like crammed on
her lips. It naffs me off!

Well, if someone was trying to shove a rolled up newspaper in your gob
would you open up and say "Ahhh"? ;0)
I don't find it out of place. Ash was definitely losing his marbles by
this point, and could have easily just choked her with his hands.
There's something about the quiet, overly intense, methodical way he
rolls that magazine up, then tries to force it in her mouth that I find
chilling.

Post by Tracy
That scene could have been done better.
And.... and... in Aliens - Evil Bishop's silly hanging-off ear! Did we
ever conclude if that was simply a bad makeup scene or something more
sinister? (Shut up, Cov!) :))

Oh dear, don't open all that up again (the argument, not the ear!)

Argument ????

;' )

[w***@yahoo.com]

Post by Tracy
And.... and... in Aliens - Evil Bishop's silly hanging-off ear! Did we
ever conclude if that was simply a bad makeup scene or something more
sinister? (Shut up, Cov!) :))

well if we're talking about Bishop 2's ear hanging off in Alien 3, I
found that to be an interesting confusing anomaly for me.


Dom

[Covenant]

Post by w***@yahoo.com

Post by Tracy
And.... and... in Aliens - Evil Bishop's silly hanging-off ear! Did we
ever conclude if that was simply a bad makeup scene or something more
sinister? (Shut up, Cov!) :))

well if we're talking about Bishop 2's ear hanging off in Alien 3, I
found that to be an interesting confusing anomaly for me.

Muuaahhh haaa haa haaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Cpl Leach]

My least favorite thing about the franchise.....

FOX's belief that they need Sigourney Weaver or Lance Henrikson to keep
the franchise alive.

Even if it means bringing Henrikson back in seperate roles, all of
which screw around with continuity (A3 Droid theory aside)

[Covenant]

Post by Cpl Leach
My least favorite thing about the franchise.....
FOX's belief that they need Sigourney Weaver or Lance Henrikson to keep
the franchise alive.
Even if it means bringing Henrikson back in seperate roles, all of
which screw around with continuity (A3 Droid theory aside)

Yeah...

We need a stand alone Alien tale.

[Robert]

Post by Covenant
We need a stand alone Alien tale.

I still want to produce "At Home With The Aliens".....


"Bobby! Don't play with your food!"

"Mom! Lisa cocooned the baby again!"

"Did not!"
"Did too!"
"Not!"

"That's it! No marines for you! Go to your rooms!"


.

[w***@yahoo.com]

Post by Covenant

Post by w***@yahoo.com
well if we're talking about Bishop 2's ear hanging off in Alien 3, I
found that to be an interesting confusing anomaly for me.

Muuaahhh haaa haa haaaaaaaaaaaaa

I think this thing that was an interesting confusing anomaly for me
along with one or two other things in the A3 movies was perhaps what
got me interested in 9/11, but don't get me started on that again
unless...


Dom

[Vigil]

When Hicks and Ripley take a quiet moment to themselves ito say "Dwayne"
... "Ellen". Bleurgh.

[Tracy]

Post by Vigil
When Hicks and Ripley take a quiet moment to themselves ito say "Dwayne"
... "Ellen". Bleurgh.
--

Cant be any worse than the original cut scene from Alien of Ripley
shagging Dallas!

Guess they wanted to remind us that Ripley is ALL woman and sexually
attractive, blah de blah.

[Doctor J. Frink]

Post by Tracy

Post by Vigil
When Hicks and Ripley take a quiet moment to themselves ito say "Dwayne"
... "Ellen". Bleurgh.
--

Cant be any worse than the original cut scene from Alien of Ripley
shagging Dallas!
Guess they wanted to remind us that Ripley is ALL woman and sexually
attractive, blah de blah.

I thought that was what the "encountering Alien in just her skimpies"
scene was for...

Frink

[Robert]

Post by Doctor J. Frink
I thought that was what the "encountering Alien in just her skimpies"
scene was for...

A while back I'd been surfing genre and review sites, one of 'em was a
sort of point-counterpoint set of reviews for each flick, and there was
some guy that just went freakin' nuts over that scene - you'd have
thought they put Weaver in a french maid's costume or something. Ranted
on and on about sexism, how EVERY single aspect of the scene was sexist
- camera angle, lighting, and this, that and the other. Freakin'
hilarious because he was genuinely pissed off.

[Tracy]

Post by Doctor J. Frink

Post by Tracy

Post by Vigil
When Hicks and Ripley take a quiet moment to themselves ito say "Dwayne"
... "Ellen". Bleurgh.
--

Cant be any worse than the original cut scene from Alien of Ripley
shagging Dallas!
Guess they wanted to remind us that Ripley is ALL woman and sexually
attractive, blah de blah.

I thought that was what the "encountering Alien in just her skimpies"
scene was for...

Probably! But could never get my head around the fact that all our
characters were portrayed in an *equal* position - almost androngenous
- and then our Ripley has the "strip down" scene. Maybe they should
have stuck to a male Ripley role - then us girlies could have had a
peek at some bulging packages!! :P

[Rob Lawford]

Post by Tracy

Post by Doctor J. Frink

Post by Tracy

Post by Vigil
When Hicks and Ripley take a quiet moment to themselves ito say "Dwayne"
... "Ellen". Bleurgh.
--

Cant be any worse than the original cut scene from Alien of Ripley
shagging Dallas!
Guess they wanted to remind us that Ripley is ALL woman and sexually
attractive, blah de blah.

I thought that was what the "encountering Alien in just her skimpies"
scene was for...

Probably! But could never get my head around the fact that all our
characters were portrayed in an *equal* position - almost androngenous
- and then our Ripley has the "strip down" scene. Maybe they should
have stuck to a male Ripley role - then us girlies could have had a
peek at some bulging packages!! :P

But Ripley looks like she has a bulging package in that scene. She should
have kept her clothes on!!!!!!!! :/

[Tracy]

Post by Rob Lawford

Post by Tracy

Post by Doctor J. Frink

Post by Tracy

Post by Vigil
When Hicks and Ripley take a quiet moment to themselves ito say "Dwayne"
... "Ellen". Bleurgh.
--

Cant be any worse than the original cut scene from Alien of Ripley
shagging Dallas!
Guess they wanted to remind us that Ripley is ALL woman and sexually
attractive, blah de blah.

I thought that was what the "encountering Alien in just her skimpies"
scene was for...

Probably! But could never get my head around the fact that all our
characters were portrayed in an *equal* position - almost androngenous
- and then our Ripley has the "strip down" scene. Maybe they should
have stuck to a male Ripley role - then us girlies could have had a
peek at some bulging packages!! :P

But Ripley looks like she has a bulging package in that scene. She should
have kept her clothes on!!!!!!!! :/

I am assuming even the smallest of male packages would look bigger than
a female pubis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

[Adam Cameron]

Post by Vigil
When Hicks and Ripley take a quiet moment to themselves ito say "Dwayne"
... "Ellen". Bleurgh.

Again... this was cut before the cinematic release, wasn't it; and only
appears in the "special edition"? Or is my memory faulty?

I agree with your sentiment completely, it's just interesting that two of
the scenes mentioned were actually deleted from the film.

[Robert]

Post by Adam Cameron
I agree with your sentiment completely, it's just interesting that two of
the scenes mentioned were actually deleted from the film.

Hhhmmm...yeah, probably a little unfair, but hey, it's something to
talk about, and if it's been 'released' enough for us to know about it,
I guess it falls under the 'franchise' moniker, no?

[Adam Cameron]

Post by Robert
Hhhmmm...yeah, probably a little unfair,

That's not at all what I meant.

Post by Robert
but hey, it's something to
talk about, and if it's been 'released' enough for us to know about it,
I guess it falls under the 'franchise' moniker, no?

Absolutely.

All I said is that it's interesting. And, oddly enough, that's all I
meant.

[swarvegorilla]

Agreed,
That monologue sucked.
but I have to say........ dammit I can't bitch about little stuff at
the moment
jeezuz if that doesn't give ya a hedz up that poop is coatin' da fan nuffin
will
ummm..... the aliens never win.
they are meant to be perfect after all
I wanna see aliens win

Post by Robert
OK, I thought that'd be an interesting topic. I guess we'll see. And we
all know AR:se sucked, so lets go for the nitpicks, or at least
something more substantive than "Director X is a jackass!", heheh.
The one thing that really grates on me (in a movie I otherwise _like_)
is Hudson's "ultimate badasses" monologue in the dropship (only in the
SE, I believe). It just sucks. I know some people find it funny, but
for me it's just annoying. Nothing I can put my finger on - maybe
Paxton was having a bad day or something, but it just doesn't work. For
me. :)
Next!
.

[Sandman]

Post by Robert
OK, I thought that'd be an interesting topic. I guess we'll see. And we
all know AR:se sucked, so lets go for the nitpicks, or at least
something more substantive than "Director X is a jackass!", heheh.
The one thing that really grates on me (in a movie I otherwise _like_)
is Hudson's "ultimate badasses" monologue in the dropship (only in the
SE, I believe). It just sucks. I know some people find it funny, but
for me it's just annoying. Nothing I can put my finger on - maybe
Paxton was having a bad day or something, but it just doesn't work. For
me. :)

Agreed.

Plus:

Birthscene in A3:SE

Alien "viewpoint" in A3 - never liked the idea of the aliens having a
human-like vision, only slightly distorted.

[Covenant]

Post by Sandman

Post by Robert
OK, I thought that'd be an interesting topic. I guess we'll see. And we
all know AR:se sucked, so lets go for the nitpicks, or at least
something more substantive than "Director X is a jackass!", heheh.
The one thing that really grates on me (in a movie I otherwise _like_)
is Hudson's "ultimate badasses" monologue in the dropship (only in the
SE, I believe). It just sucks. I know some people find it funny, but
for me it's just annoying. Nothing I can put my finger on - maybe
Paxton was having a bad day or something, but it just doesn't work. For
me. :)

Agreed.

To me, it seems stillted, like a run through or rehearsal.
The way he continually says "check it out" seems forced and the "We're here
to protect you is both bad dialogue and badly delivered."


That my take on it, looking at it from performance POV.

[Robert]

Post by Sandman
Alien "viewpoint" in A3 - never liked the idea of the aliens having a
human-like vision, only slightly distorted.

Ever play Alien vs. Predator? The alien had a pheremone-based vision
mode that I thought was pretty nifty.

And what is this A3 you speak of? I have only vague memories of a
sharp, searing pain behind my eyeballs.... :) :) :)

.

[w***@yahoo.com]

Post by Robert

Post by Sandman
Alien "viewpoint" in A3 - never liked the idea of the aliens having a
human-like vision, only slightly distorted.

Ever play Alien vs. Predator? The alien had a pheremone-based vision
mode that I thought was pretty nifty.
And what is this A3 you speak of? I have only vague memories of a
sharp, searing pain behind my eyeballs.... :) :) :)
.

I liked Ridley's idea that the transparent shell on the head was a kind
of an eye-like sensory organ

Dom

[Robert]

The Usenet Medical Alert Team arrived at the scene of the dying thread
and quickly assessed the situation.

"Hhhm. Only been alive a week and already it's showing signs of
accelerated decrepitude."

"Wrong movie reference, jackass. This is acm.ALIEN."

"Oh. Sorry. Ah...it seems to have been put into a coma..."

"Better. Work on it."

"OK. Ah, maybe we should do something technical?"

*medic 1 pokes thread with stick*

"Hmm. Pretty lifeless. What should we do?"

"Trolling sometimes works in these situations."

"Ewww. What a ghastly suggestion."

"Got any better ideas?"

"Err...no. You first."

"OK....*tap* *tap* *tap*

Is this thing on?


"IT WAS TAIL RAPE, I TELL YA!"

"Bishop was HUUUUUUUMANNNN!!!"

"Cameron SUCKS!!!"

"Ewe Bolle should direct the next one!"

"Are you insane? Lynch is a GENIUS!!!"

"Who cares about a stupid CAT!"

"Ha ha, that lame-ass movie didn't scare me a bit!"

"Whoa, a bit harsh with that last one, eh?"

"Well....work with me here, alright? Sheeeesh!"

"Now, hand me those tongs..."

[swarvegorilla]

I think it likes you.....
;-)

[Robert]

Post by swarvegorilla
I think it likes you.....
;-)

A classic line, wonderfully delivered. :)

.

[swarvegorilla]

Post by Robert

Post by swarvegorilla
I think it likes you.....
;-)

A classic line, wonderfully delivered. :)
.

I have seen people run from the room at it.
Now that gives me a warm fuzzy feelin' it does.

[Robert]

Post by swarvegorilla
I have seen people run from the room at it.

Really? Ah, let's make sure we're on the same page, here - Burke is
peering into the big cylinder and suddenly the the facehugger starts
scrabbling around trying to get to him? And then Hicks delivers the
line? (I thought it was more like "looks like true love to me" or
something, but anyway....oh wait! I get to watch the movie again! Yay!
Thank you!)

OK, I'm seriously interested in a genuine negative view of that scene.

The _only_ real criticism I can think of is that a hugger should have
been able to go through the plastic/glass/polymer/whatever as easily as
it went through Kane's helmet, but obviously that tech is
different/better or whatever, so....what else? Hard to see that scene
as the one that breaks the camel's back, even for a Jimmy hater. :)

.


.

[swarvegorilla]

Post by Robert

Post by swarvegorilla
I have seen people run from the room at it.

Really? Ah, let's make sure we're on the same page, here - Burke is
peering into the big cylinder and suddenly the the facehugger starts
scrabbling around trying to get to him? And then Hicks delivers the
line? (I thought it was more like "looks like true love to me" or
something, but anyway....oh wait! I get to watch the movie again! Yay!
Thank you!)
OK, I'm seriously interested in a genuine negative view of that scene.
The _only_ real criticism I can think of is that a hugger should have
been able to go through the plastic/glass/polymer/whatever as easily as
it went through Kane's helmet, but obviously that tech is
different/better or whatever, so....what else? Hard to see that scene
as the one that breaks the camel's back, even for a Jimmy hater. :)

Nah I love that scene.
some of me mates are pussys is all

[Robert]

Post by swarvegorilla
Nah I love that scene.
some of me mates are pussys is all

Oh. Heheheheee. Yah, it's a good 'jump out of your seat' moment if
you've no idea what's coming...

.

[Tracy]

Post by Robert

Post by swarvegorilla
Nah I love that scene.
some of me mates are pussys is all

Oh. Heheheheee. Yah, it's a good 'jump out of your seat' moment if
you've no idea what's coming...
.

I *still* jump at that scene, even knowing whats coming and having
watched it too many times to count!!!!