Newbie question

[Mallard]

Hi,
What if anytihing is the name of the alien lifeform with the hole in
it's chest we see in the first movie? If this is answered in the FAQ
please point me to the section.

Thank You.

[Jack]

Post by Mallard
Hi,
What if anytihing is the name of the alien lifeform with the hole in
it's chest we see in the first movie? If this is answered in the FAQ
please point me to the section.
Thank You.

Most often it is called the space jockey. Google it as there is quite a
considerable amount written on this topic.

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[Tracy]

Yeah, we want A5 to feature SJ!

SJ's origins - his homeworld, his people's first encounter with the
alien (did they create it?), his apparent *sacrifice* on LV426 and the
closing scenes of the Nostromo hearing the *distress* signal.

How do we contact Scott and Cameron, guys??????

Hi,
 What if anytihing is the name of the alien lifeform with the hole in
it's chest we see in the first movie? If this is answered in the FAQ
please point me to the section.
Thank You.

[Sandman]

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Post by Tracy

Hi,
 What if anytihing is the name of the alien lifeform with the hole in
it's chest we see in the first movie? If this is answered in the FAQ
please point me to the section.

Yeah, we want A5 to feature SJ!
SJ's origins - his homeworld, his people's first encounter with the
alien (did they create it?), his apparent *sacrifice* on LV426 and the
closing scenes of the Nostromo hearing the *distress* signal.
How do we contact Scott and Cameron, guys??????

Forget Scott and Cameron. Imagine Guillermo Del Toro directing it
(Pan's labyrinth), or maybe David Twohy (Pitch Black).

Plus, we can't have a story that centers around SJ only. We really
need humans in the story. And dialog.

What about the SJ race being in contact with humans, and
Weyland-Yutani specifically?

In short, we need humans in peril and the Aliens to be attacking.
Actuall - *WE* might not need it (as in the "inhabitants", if any, of
acma) but the general audience need it, and it won't be greenlight:ed
without it.

Possible story threads...

Alien species created by SJ race, ordered by WY as a weapon. "drafts"
delivered to WY, i.e. early alien "prototypes" which does or do not
obey command successfully.

Last shipment of drones goes very very wrong. The tactical team from
WY onboard the derelict (while in transit) tries to fight back the
hordes of Aliens and protect that SJ race or something like that.

WY, not knowing what happens, sends along Ash on the next private
freighter going in that direction. The eggs found by the Nostromo team
are made out of the tactical team originally on the derelict.

I don't know, but that's one way to work in humans in the prequel, and
works pretty well with the AVP storyline in which WY had prior and
extensive knowledge about the species.

[Jack]

Post by Sandman

Post by Tracy
SJ's origins - his homeworld, his people's first encounter with the
alien (did they create it?), his apparent *sacrifice* on LV426 and the
closing scenes of the Nostromo hearing the *distress* signal.
How do we contact Scott and Cameron, guys??????

Forget Scott and Cameron. Imagine Guillermo Del Toro directing it
(Pan's labyrinth), or maybe David Twohy (Pitch Black).
Plus, we can't have a story that centers around SJ only. We really
need humans in the story. And dialog.
What about the SJ race being in contact with humans, and
Weyland-Yutani specifically?
In short, we need humans in peril and the Aliens to be attacking.
Actuall - *WE* might not need it (as in the "inhabitants", if any, of
acma) but the general audience need it, and it won't be greenlight:ed
without it.
Possible story threads...
Alien species created by SJ race, ordered by WY as a weapon. "drafts"
delivered to WY, i.e. early alien "prototypes" which does or do not
obey command successfully.
Last shipment of drones goes very very wrong. The tactical team from
WY onboard the derelict (while in transit) tries to fight back the
hordes of Aliens and protect that SJ race or something like that.
WY, not knowing what happens, sends along Ash on the next private
freighter going in that direction. The eggs found by the Nostromo team
are made out of the tactical team originally on the derelict.
I don't know, but that's one way to work in humans in the prequel, and
works pretty well with the AVP storyline in which WY had prior and
extensive knowledge about the species.

This is a new slant I never thought of to include humans on the SJ vessel
but the entire feel of the first film was that the derelict was very very
alien and likely not a place humans could live easily or feel very
pyschologically happy. Also the SJ was fossilised which would mean it was on
the planet for at least a few tens of thousands of years and possibly
millions. I think the inclusion of humans as a sort of paymaster makes the
SJ background far smaller than it was originally implied.

[Sandman]

Post by Jack

Post by Sandman

Post by Tracy
SJ's origins - his homeworld, his people's first encounter with the
alien (did they create it?), his apparent *sacrifice* on LV426 and the
closing scenes of the Nostromo hearing the *distress* signal.
How do we contact Scott and Cameron, guys??????

Forget Scott and Cameron. Imagine Guillermo Del Toro directing it
(Pan's labyrinth), or maybe David Twohy (Pitch Black).
Plus, we can't have a story that centers around SJ only. We really
need humans in the story. And dialog.
What about the SJ race being in contact with humans, and
Weyland-Yutani specifically?
In short, we need humans in peril and the Aliens to be attacking.
Actuall - *WE* might not need it (as in the "inhabitants", if any, of
acma) but the general audience need it, and it won't be greenlight:ed
without it.
Possible story threads...
Alien species created by SJ race, ordered by WY as a weapon. "drafts"
delivered to WY, i.e. early alien "prototypes" which does or do not
obey command successfully.
Last shipment of drones goes very very wrong. The tactical team from
WY onboard the derelict (while in transit) tries to fight back the
hordes of Aliens and protect that SJ race or something like that.
WY, not knowing what happens, sends along Ash on the next private
freighter going in that direction. The eggs found by the Nostromo team
are made out of the tactical team originally on the derelict.
I don't know, but that's one way to work in humans in the prequel, and
works pretty well with the AVP storyline in which WY had prior and
extensive knowledge about the species.

This is a new slant I never thought of to include humans on the SJ vessel
but the entire feel of the first film was that the derelict was very very
alien and likely not a place humans could live easily or feel very
pyschologically happy. Also the SJ was fossilised which would mean it was on
the planet for at least a few tens of thousands of years and possibly
millions. I think the inclusion of humans as a sort of paymaster makes the
SJ background far smaller than it was originally implied.

Well, it seemed fossilised, according to the crew, but being Alien,
that could mean just about anything. Maybe their species loose all
soft tissue shortly after dying and the bone composition seems fossil
to us? Being Alien, anything is possible after all.

The Nostromo was ten months from earth (iirc) so presumably their
mission was several years long.

And the derelict most certainly seemed like a place no humans could be
in, but after crashing on LV, the hull may have been compromised, plus
the human quarters might plausibly have been different in structure.
Just saying that you don't have to be go way out of logical thought to
find a way to put humans in the same era, which is necessary for a
movie to be made, I'm afraid.

[Jack]

Post by Sandman

Post by Jack

Post by Sandman
Possible story threads...
Alien species created by SJ race, ordered by WY as a weapon. "drafts"
delivered to WY, i.e. early alien "prototypes" which does or do not
obey command successfully.
Last shipment of drones goes very very wrong. The tactical team from
WY onboard the derelict (while in transit) tries to fight back the
hordes of Aliens and protect that SJ race or something like that.
WY, not knowing what happens, sends along Ash on the next private
freighter going in that direction. The eggs found by the Nostromo team
are made out of the tactical team originally on the derelict.
I don't know, but that's one way to work in humans in the prequel, and
works pretty well with the AVP storyline in which WY had prior and
extensive knowledge about the species.

This is a new slant I never thought of to include humans on the SJ vessel
but the entire feel of the first film was that the derelict was very very
alien and likely not a place humans could live easily or feel very
pyschologically happy. Also the SJ was fossilised which would mean it was on
the planet for at least a few tens of thousands of years and possibly
millions. I think the inclusion of humans as a sort of paymaster makes the
SJ background far smaller than it was originally implied.

Well, it seemed fossilised, according to the crew, but being Alien,
that could mean just about anything. Maybe their species loose all
soft tissue shortly after dying and the bone composition seems fossil
to us? Being Alien, anything is possible after all.
The Nostromo was ten months from earth (iirc) so presumably their
mission was several years long.
And the derelict most certainly seemed like a place no humans could be
in, but after crashing on LV, the hull may have been compromised, plus
the human quarters might plausibly have been different in structure.
Just saying that you don't have to be go way out of logical thought to
find a way to put humans in the same era, which is necessary for a
movie to be made, I'm afraid.

Yeah I do agree with most of that but one rare thing the original Scott film
did try to convey was the idea that any true alien species would likely be
so alien and different that it would be psychologically terrifying even
without any obvious threat. The SJ apparently growing out of the chair and
the feel that the entire derelict may have been grown are designed
specifically to tap into this fear. The Alien itself is genetically mixed
with humans, 'kane's son' and so less unsettling in this sense than the
Jockey. Also the idea that everything fossilised is eerie too, if they
Jockey species was spacefaring thousands of years ago what is it capable of
now. This interpretation of the derelict just feels grander and more real
than a more recent Jockey ship, commissioned by humans and fitted out with a
jacuzzi and restaurant area. We have all the control in that scenario and we
feel safe whereas the first interpretation has us stumbling onto something
bigger and more powerful than we are.

Jack

[Sandman]

Post by Jack

Post by Sandman
Well, it seemed fossilised, according to the crew, but being Alien,
that could mean just about anything. Maybe their species loose all
soft tissue shortly after dying and the bone composition seems fossil
to us? Being Alien, anything is possible after all.
The Nostromo was ten months from earth (iirc) so presumably their
mission was several years long.
And the derelict most certainly seemed like a place no humans could be
in, but after crashing on LV, the hull may have been compromised, plus
the human quarters might plausibly have been different in structure.
Just saying that you don't have to be go way out of logical thought to
find a way to put humans in the same era, which is necessary for a
movie to be made, I'm afraid.

Yeah I do agree with most of that but one rare thing the original Scott film
did try to convey was the idea that any true alien species would likely be
so alien and different that it would be psychologically terrifying even
without any obvious threat. The SJ apparently growing out of the chair and
the feel that the entire derelict may have been grown are designed
specifically to tap into this fear.

And none of that would be taken away if humans are present, actually.
Maybe the starship was "grown" (albeit, it didn't look as organic as
when the aliens transform their surroundings).

Post by Jack
The Alien itself is genetically mixed
with humans, 'kane's son' and so less unsettling in this sense than the
Jockey.

Ah, come on! Surely you're not saying that the thing that bursts out
of Kanes chest and later kills the entire crew isn't more unsettling
than a fossilised guy in a chair :)

Post by Jack
Also the idea that everything fossilised is eerie too, if they
Jockey species was spacefaring thousands of years ago what is it capable of
now. This interpretation of the derelict just feels grander and more real
than a more recent Jockey ship

I disagree. If we are to believe that the derelict has been there for
thousands of years, how come the alien eggs weren't fossilised as well
(a process that most likely require more than thousands of years).

Post by Jack
commissioned by humans and fitted out with a
jacuzzi and restaurant area. We have all the control in that scenario and we
feel safe whereas the first interpretation has us stumbling onto something
bigger and more powerful than we are.

That I agree with. Putting humans on the derelict would make it less
mysterious - but on the other hand, making a movie about the SJ race -
with or without humans - would make it less mysterious either way.

For the record - *I* would love a movie that was all about the SJ race
and the aliens, even if there was no dialogue at all, but such a movie
will never be made, unfortunately.